Нагорный Карабах, Противостояние Армении и Азербайджана

[Pampa]

Цитата (Potti @ Сегодня, 21:11)

Забуксовали в период 25.10-02.11, где-то 7 дней.

Продлись война ещё неделю, как раз к снегу бы успели. Там бы потери у обеих сторон в разы бы выросли.

[12th]

Цитата (Gleb @ Дек 3 2020, 19:56)

"Современные западные армии" сейчас не воюют у себя дома за Эльзас-Лотарингии. Они воюют где-то за тысячи км от своей территории. И вот в таких войнах потери в сотни (тем более, тысячи) весьма болезненны

Ну да. Для жителя Хайфы 50км до ливанской границы это уже другой мир практически

[12th]

Цитата (Gleb @ Дек 3 2020, 21:20)

2. Азербайджану при разделе СА в начале 90-х досталось больше, чем Армении. и армяне все же тогда победили.

Азербайджан
На 19 ноября 1990 г. 4-я общевойсковая армия располагала 384 танками (в т.ч. 309 типа Т-72), 773 БМП и БТР, 385 орудиями, минометами и РСЗО, 13 боевыми и 10 транспортными вертолетами

Армения
На 19 ноября 1990 г. 7-я гв. ОА располагала 258 танками (в т. ч. 246 типа Т-72), 641 БМП и БТР, 357 орудиями, минометами и РСЗО, а также 55 боевыми и 37 транспортными вертолетами

[Gleb]

Цитата (12th @ Дек 3 2020, 21:59)

Ну да. Для жителя Хайфы 50км до ливанской границы это уже другой мир практически

АОИ не подразумевал, говорил прежде всего о американцах и европейцах, которые не ведут войны на своей территории и рядом

[Gleb]

Цитата (12th @ Дек 3 2020, 22:00)

Азербайджан
На 19 ноября 1990 г. 4-я общевойсковая армия располагала 384 танками (в т.ч. 309 типа Т-72), 773 БМП и БТР, 385 орудиями, минометами и РСЗО, 13 боевыми и 10 транспортными вертолетами

Армения
На 19 ноября 1990 г. 7-я гв. ОА располагала 258 танками (в т. ч. 246 типа Т-72), 641 БМП и БТР, 357 орудиями, минометами и РСЗО, а также 55 боевыми и 37 транспортными вертолетами

А если еще учесть демографическое превосходство азербайджанцев, которое и тогда было...

[fahed]

Обновленный список от Орикса.



Armenia / Republic of Artsakh

Tanks (203, of which destroyed: 124, damaged: 5, captured: 74)
56 T-72A: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed by loitering munition) (20, destroyed by loitering munition) (21, destroyed by loitering munition) (22, destroyed by loitering munition) (23, destroyed by loitering munition) (24, destroyed by Spike-ER) (25, destroyed by Spike-ER) (26, damaged) (27, damaged) (28, damaged) (29, damaged and captured) (30, damaged and captured) (31, damaged and captured) (32, damaged and captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured) (38, captured) (39, captured) (40, captured) (41, captured) (42, captured) (43, captured) (44, captured) (45, 46 and 47, captured) (48 and 49, captured) (50 and 51, captured) (52, captured) (53, captured) (54, captured) (55, captured) (56, captured)
2 T-72AK: (1, damaged and captured) (2, captured)
18 T-72AV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, damaged and captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10 and 11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, recaptured)
40 T-72B: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed by loitering munition) (13, destroyed by loitering munition) (14, destroyed by loitering munition) (15, destroyed by loitering munition) (16, damaged and captured) (17, destroyed by Spike-ER) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25 and 26, captured) (27 and 28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured) (38, captured) (39, captured) (40, captured)
87 Unknown T-72: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed) (51, destroyed) (52, destroyed) (53, destroyed) (54, destroyed) (55, destroyed) (56, destroyed) (57, destroyed) (58, destroyed) (59, destroyed) (60, destroyed) (61, destroyed) (62, destroyed) (63, destroyed) (64, destroyed) (65, destroyed) (66, destroyed) (67, destroyed) (68, destroyed) (69, destroyed) (70, destroyed) (71, destroyed) (72, destroyed) (73, destroyed) (74, destroyed) (75, destroyed by loitering munition) (76, destroyed by loitering munition) (77, destroyed by loitering munition) (78, destroyed by loitering munition) (79, destroyed by Spike-ER) (80, destroyed by Spike-ER) (81, damaged) (82, damaged) (83 captured) (84, captured) (85, captured) (86, captured) (87, captured)


Armoured fighting vehicles (54, of which destroyed: 25, captured: 29)
20 MT-LB with Zastava M55 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed by Spike-ER) (10, destroyed by Spike-ER) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, 14 and 15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured)
4 MT-LB with ZU-23 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, captured)
2 MT-LB with AZP S-60 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, captured)
6 MT-LB: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed by Spike-ER) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured)
1 MT-LBu: (1, captured)
1 BMP-1 with ZU-23 AA gun: (1, captured)
6 ZSU-23-4 'Shilka': (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured)
4 BRM-1K: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by Spike-ER) (3, captured) (4, captured)
3 BRDM-2: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured)
1 BTR-70: (1, destroyed)
4 BTS-4: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured)
2 Unknown AFV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)

Infantry fighting vehicles (61, of which destroyed: 30, captured: 31)
29 BMP-1: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed by Spike-ER) (12, damaged and captured) (13, damaged and captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured)
26 BMP-2: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed after capture by Armenia) (12, destroyed by loitering munition) (13, destroyed by loitering munition) (14, damaged and captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured)
6 Unknown BMP: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed by Spike-ER)

Self-propelled anti-tank missile systems (7, of which destroyed: 1, captured: 6)
4 9P148 Konkurs: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged and captured) (3, captured) (4, captured)
3 9P149 Shturm-S: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured)

Towed artillery (152, of which destroyed: 111, damaged: 9, captured: 31)
2 85mm D-44 divisional gun: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged)
2 100mm MT-12 'Rapira' anti-tank gun: (1, captured) (2, captured)
5 100mm KS-19 AA gun used as howitzer: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed)
1 122 mm M-30 howitzer: (1, damaged)
67 122mm (D-30) howitzer 2A18: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed) (51, destroyed) (52, destroyed by Spike-ER) (53, destroyed by Spike-ER) (54, damaged and captured) (55, captured) (56, captured) (57, 58 and 59, captured) (60, captured) (61, captured) (62 and 63, captured) (64, captured) (65, captured) (66, captured) (67, captured)
14 152mm (D-1) gun-howitzer M-1943: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, captured) (11 and 12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured)
53 152mm (D-20) gun-howitzer M-1955: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed by Spike-ER) (38, damaged) (39, damaged) (40, damaged) (41 and 42, damaged) (43, damaged) (44, damaged) (45, captured) (46, captured) (47, captured) (48, captured) (49 and 50, captured) (51, captured) (52, captured) (53, captured)
8 152mm 2A36 Giatsint-B field-gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed)

Self-propelled artillery (22, of which destroyed: 16, damaged: 1, captured: 5)
18 122mm 2S1 Gvozdika: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, damaged) (14, damaged and captured) (15, captured) (16 and 17, captured) (18, captured)
4 152mm 2S3 Akatsiya: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)

Multiple rocket launchers (75, of which destroyed: 72, captured: 2 abandoned: 1)
67 122mm BM-21 'Grad': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed) (51, destroyed) (52, destroyed) (53, destroyed) (54, destroyed) (55, destroyed) (56, destroyed) (57, destroyed) (58, destroyed by loitering munition) (59, destroyed by loitering munition) (60, destroyed by loitering munition) (61, destroyed by loitering munition) (62, destroyed by loitering munition) (63, destroyed by Spike-ER) (64, destroyed by Spike-ER) (65, abandoned) (66, damaged and captured) (67, captured)
2 273mm WM-80: (1 and 2, destroyed)
1 220mm TOS-1A: (1, destroyed)
4 300mm BM-30 'Smerch': (1) (2) (3) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 Unknown MRL: (1, destroyed)

Ballistic Missiles (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 R-17 'Scud-B': (1, destroyed)

Mortars (19, of which destroyed: 4, captured: 15)
4 60mm M57: (1 and 2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured)
7 82mm M69: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured)
1 120mm M74: (1, captured)
5 120mm M75: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
2 Unknown mortar: (1, destroyed) (2, captured)

Anti-tank guided missiles (56, of which destroyed: 3, captured 53, of which 8 launcher or optic)
19 9M111 Fagot: (1 and 2, destroyed) (3, 4, 5 and 6, captured) (7, 8, 9 and 10, captured) (11, 12 and 13, captured) (14 and 15, captured) (16, 17, 18 and 19, captured)
18 9M113 Konkurs: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8, captured) (9, captured) (10 and 11, captured) (12, captured) (13 and 14, captured) (15, 16 and 17, captured) (18, captured)
6 9M115 Metis: (1 and 2, captured) (3, 4, 5 and 6, captured)
5 9P135M launcher for the 9M111 Fagot and 9M113 Konkurs: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
6 9M133M-2 Kornet-EM: (1, 2 and 3, captured) (4, 5 and 6, captured)
2 9P163 launcher for the 9M133 Kornet: (1, captured) (2, captured)
1 1PN65 'Trakt-1' thermal optic for 9P135M Konkurs ATGM launcher: (1, captured)

Man-Portable Air Defence Systems (2 captured)
2 9K338 Igla-S: (1 and 2, captured)

Surface-to-air missile systems (27, of which destroyed: 26, captured: 1)
3 9K35 Strela-10: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)
14 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (14, destroyed by loitering munition) (15, destroyed by loitering munition)
3 2K12 Kub: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, captured)
4 5P85S (launcher for S-300PS): (1 and 2, destroyed) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 5P85D (launcher for S-300PS): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 S-300 component: (1, destroyed)
1 Tor-M2KM: (1, destroyed by loitering munition)

Radars (12, of which destroyed: 12)
2 P-18 'Spoon Rest D': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
4 ST86U/36D6 'Tin Shield' (for S-300): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 SNR-125 'Low Blow' (for S-125): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
2 5N63S 'Flap Lid' (for S-300): (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 19J6 (for S-300): (1, destroyed)
1 1S32 'Pat Hand' (for 2K11 Krug): (1, destroyed)
1 1S91 SURN (for 2K12 Kub): (1, destroyed)

Jammers and Deception systems (2, of which destroyed: 2)
1 R-330P Piramida-I: (1, destroyed)
1 Repellent-1: (1, destroyed)

Aircraft and Helicopters (2, of which destroyed: 2)
1 Su-25K: (1, crashed)
1 Mi-8: (1, destroyed)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (4, of which destroyed: 4)
1 X-55: (1, destroyed)
1 Quadcopter drone: (1, crashed)
1 BZEZ loitering munition: (1, crashed)
1 Unknown UAV: (1, destroyed)

Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (510, of which destroyed: 246, damaged: 8, captured: 256)
10 GAZ-66: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured)
34 GAZ-3308: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed by Spike-ER) (7, damaged and captured) (8, damaged and captured) (9, damaged and captured) (10, damaged and captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28 and 29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, captured)
1 9T217 transloader (for 9K33 Osa): (1, destroyed)
51 KamAZ: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, 6 and 7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed by loitering munition) (25, destroyed by loitering munition) (26, destroyed by Spike-ER) (27, damaged) (28, damaged and captured) (29, damaged and captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33 and 34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured) (38, captured) (39, captured) (40, captured) (41, captured) (42, captured) (43, captured) (44, captured) (45, captured) (46, captured) (47, captured) (48, captured) (49, captured) (50, captured) (51, captured)
43 ZiL-131: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed by loitering munition) (7, destroyed by Spike-ER) (8, damaged and captured) (9, 10, 11, 12 and 13, damaged and captured) (14, damaged and captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26 and 27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35, 36 and 37, captured) (38, 39, 40 and 41, captured) (42 and 43, captured)
9 Ural-375: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, 4 and 5, destroyed) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured)
106 Ural-4320: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16 and 17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27 and 28, destroyed) (29 and 30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed) (51, destroyed) (52, destroyed) (53, destroyed) (54, destroyed) (55, destroyed) (56, destroyed) (57, destroyed) (58, 59, 60 and 61, destroyed) (62, destroyed by loitering munition) (63, damaged and captured) (64, damaged and captured) (65, damaged and captured) (66, damaged and captured) (67, damaged) (68, captured) (69, captured) (70, captured) (71, captured) (72, captured) (73, captured) (74, captured) (75, captured) (76, captured) (77, captured) (78, captured) (79, captured) (80, captured) (81, captured) (82, captured) (83, captured) (84 and 85, captured) (86, captured) (87, captured) (88, captured) (89, captured) (90, captured) (91, captured) (92, captured) (93, captured) (94, captured) (95, captured) (96, captured) (97, captured) (98, captured) (99, captured) (100, captured) (101, captured) (102, captured) (103, 104, 105 and 106, captured)
41 Ural-43206: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, damaged and captured) (13, captured) (14, damaged and captured) (15, damaged and captured) (16, damaged and captured) (17 captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, 27, 28, 29 and 30, captured) (31, captured) (32 and 33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured) (38, 39 and 40, captured) (41, captured)
23 UAZ-452: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, damaged and captured) (13, damaged and captured) (14 and 15, damaged) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured)
33 UAZ-469: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, damaged) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, damaged and captured) (19, damaged and captured) (20, damaged and captured) (21, damaged and captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured)
1 UAZ Hunter: (1, captured)
3 UAZ Patriot: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, captured)
9 UAZ-23602-130: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured)
9 UAZ-23632: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured)
88 (Unknown) truck: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16 and 17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43 and 44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50 and 51, destroyed) (52, destroyed) (53, destroyed) (54, destroyed) (55, destroyed by loitering munition) (56, destroyed by loitering munition) (57, destroyed by loitering munition) (58, destroyed by loitering munition) (59, destroyed by loitering munition) (60, destroyed by loitering munition) (61, destroyed by loitering munition) (62, 63, 64 and 65, damaged) (66, damaged) (67, damaged and captured) (68, damaged and captured) (69, captured) (70, captured) (71 and 72, captured) (73, captured) (74, 75, 76 and 77, captured) (78, captured) (79, captured) (80, captured) (81, captured) (82, captured) (83, captured) (84, 85, and 86, captured) (87 and 88, captured)
44 Van or jeep: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, 5 and 6, destroyed) (7 and 8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, 13 and 14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, and 25, destroyed) (26, 27 and 28, destroyed by loitering munition) (29, destroyed by loitering munition) (30, 31 and 32, damaged) (33, damaged and captured) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured) (38, captured) (39, captured) (40, captured) (41, captured) (42, captured) (43, captured) (44, captured)
1 Bus (carrying reinforcements): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 Trailer: (1, destroyed)
1 Tank trailer: (1, destroyed)
1 S-300 trailer: (1, destroyed)
1 PMZ-4 Minelayer Trailer: (1, damaged and captured)


Decoys (2, of which destroyed: 2)
2 Decoy 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition)

Strategic locations hit (22)
Radio mast: (1) (2) (3) (4)
military base: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7, hit by Spike-ER) (8, hit by Spike-ER)
command post: (1) (2) (3) (4)
storage depot: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5, hit by loitering munition)
Stepanakert Airport: (1, hit by loitering munition)

Azerbaijan

Tanks (32, of which destroyed: 20, damaged: 8, abandoned: 1, captured: 2, captured but later lost: 1)
1 T-72 'Ural': (1, destroyed)
3 T-72A: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged) (3, damaged)
10 T-72AV/T-72 'Aslan': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, damaged) (7, damaged) (8, damaged) (9, damaged) (10, captured by Armenia, but later recaptured by Azerbaijan)
15 Unknown T-72: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, damaged) (15, abandoned)
3 T-90S: (1, damaged and captured) (2, damaged and captured) (3, damaged)


Armoured fighting vehicles (13, of which destroyed: 2, damaged: 1, abandoned: 4, captured: 8)
8 BTR-70: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6 and 7, captured) (8, captured)
4 Unknown AFV: (1, 2 and 3, damaged and abandoned) (4, damaged and abandoned)
1 IMR-2: (1, damaged)

Infantry fighting vehicles (32, of which destroyed: 17, damaged: 2, abandoned: 4, captured: 9)
2 BMP-1: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
16 BMP-2: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, damaged) (8, damaged and abandoned) (9, abandoned) (10, abandoned) (11, damaged and abandoned) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured by Armenia, but later destroyed by Azerbaijan)
1 BMP-2K: (1, destroyed)
1 BMP-3: (1, destroyed)
9 BTR-82A: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, damaged) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured)
3 Unknown BMP: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed)


Multiple rocket launchers (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 KRL 122: (1, destroyed)

Mortars (1, of which captured: 1)
1 60mm 20N6M: (1, captured)

Aircraft and Helicopters (12, of which destroyed: 12)
11 An-2 (used as unmanned bait in order for Armenia to reveal the location of air defence systems): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, crashed)
1 Mi-8/17 (Loss admitted by Azerbaijan)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (25, of which destroyed: 22, captured: 3)
1 Aerostar surveillance UAV: (1, crashed)
11 IAI Harop loitering munition: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, crashed in Iran) (10, crashed in Iran) (11, crashed in Georgia)
2 SkyStriker loitering munition: (1, crashed and captured) (2, crashed and captured)
1 Orbiter 1K loitering munition: (1, crashed and captured)
2 Bayraktar TB2 UCAV: (1, crashed) (2, destroyed)
8 Unknown UAV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed)


Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (30, of which destroyed: 16, damaged: 7, abandoned: 6, captured: 2)
1 GAZ-3308: (1, damaged)
2 Ural-4320: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
3 KamAZ: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, captured)
3 MAZ: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, damaged)
4 Marauder MRAP: (1, damaged) (2, damaged and abandoned) (3 and 4, abandoned)
4 Matador MRAP: (1, damaged) (2 and 3, damaged) (4, abandoned)
8 Plasan SandCat: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, damaged) (4, damaged and abandoned) (5, damaged and abandoned) (6, damaged and abandoned) (7, damaged and abandoned) (8, abandoned)
7 Unknown truck: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4 and 5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed)
2 Van or jeep: (1, destroyed) (2, captured)

[Pampa]

Победа однозначно за беспилотниками.

[Вуду]

- Я вот в этом месте не понял потери Harop'ов:
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (25, of which destroyed: 22, captured: 3)

11 IAI Harop loitering munition: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, crashed in Iran) (10, crashed in Iran) (11, crashed in Georgia) - это же дрон-самоубийца, в каком плане рассматривается его потеря, - сбили до того, как он поразил цель? Или - что?? Если рассматривать его потерю при выполнении боевого задания - это абсурд какой-то...

Цитата

2 Bayraktar TB2 UCAV: (1, crashed) (2, destroyed)

- Тут просто слов нет "про армянскую ПВО"...

[fahed]

Цитата (Вуду @ Сегодня, 02:11)

11 IAI Harop loitering munition: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, crashed in Iran) (10, crashed in Iran) (11, crashed in Georgia) - это же дрон-самоубийца, в каком плане рассматривается его потеря, - сбили до того, как он поразил цель? Или - что??  Если рассматривать его потерю при выполнении боевого задания - это абсурд какой-то...

Мы со Святым уже отмечали, что многие отмеченные сбитые камикадзе в качестве пруфов имели некий набор деталек, очень похожих на остатки дрона после попадания в цель. Т.е. набор огоревших железяк. Но я считаю, что Орикс правильно отнес их в графу сбитые ПВО, дабы избежать кривотолков на тему УУУ, ПОДЫГРЫВАЕТ АЗЕРБАЙДЖАНЦАМ. Даже с ними победа Азербайджана остается впечатляющей.

[Potti]

Цитата (fahed @ Дек 4 2020, 08:59)

Мы со Святым уже отмечали, что многие отмеченные сбитые камикадзе в качестве пруфов имели некий набор деталек, очень похожих на остатки дрона после попадания в цель. Т.е. набор огоревших железяк. Но я считаю, что Орикс правильно отнес их в графу сбитые ПВО, дабы избежать кривотолков на тему УУУ, ПОДЫГРЫВАЕТ АЗЕРБАЙДЖАНЦАМ. Даже с ними победа Азербайджана остается впечатляющей.

В 2016м году, при первом использовании Харопов, когда армяне еще не хорошо понимали, а может и не знали что такое Хароп, они очень бодро начали рапортовать о сбитых БПЛА. Разок, даже видео выложили...как в последствии оказалось удара харопа, но в тот момент для них еще "сбития". Под конец 2го дня событий, они поняли что это всё нихера не сбитие, а самоубийства Харопа о цель. Боевые сводки о сбитиях и статистика резко остановились. Было смешно

[fahed]

Ну похоже и тут такая же перемога не раз бывала )

[fahed]

Красавцы.


Министерство обороны:
Подробная информация об именах, дате рождения, званиях и боевом пути погибших в Отечественной войне военнослужащих будет представлена общественности страны.
Комиссия, состоящая из сотрудников соответствующих государственных структур, работает в этом направлении.

[Juan Carlos]

выходит, и армяне и азербайджанцы выставят поименные списки погибших и пропавших без вести?


да уж, позор российским властям, которые так и не удосужились сделать ничего подобного по ПЧВ-ВЧВ
даже на фоне всегда раздолбайских южных соседей они теперь выглядят совершенными уебанами

[Agapit]

Солдат АЗ с АКМ, оснащенный цевьем FAB Defense QRP и рефлекторным прицелом Aimpoint MEPRO M21. МТ-ЛБ с зенитной пушкой «Застава М55» на заднем плане

[Олег]

После объявленной цифры потерь я вот не впечатлился победой Азербайджана. Все таки видеорегистраторы у одной стороны и отсутствие у другой сильно искажает происходящие. Армяне проиграли конечно, но учитывая господство противника в воздухе, накрубили знатно.

[Potti]

Цитата (fahed @ Дек 3 2020, 14:04)

25 лет не могли ничего нарыть. Кстати армяне регулярно списочек то дополняют. За эту неделю 2 партии убитых добавили, по 34 шт каждая, итого 68 + за недельку в плюс.

Только Карабахских за время поисковых работ нашли 700 человек, а заявили народу официально сколько? То-то
"Глава МЧС сепаратистов Карабаха Унан Тадевосян заявил, что в результате проведения поисковых работ обнаружены тела 693 армянских военнослужащих."

[Agapit]

После долгого боя за холм в густом лесу войска АЗ наконец захватили его. Прежде чем пришло подкрепление, они защищали его, потеряв танк ... а через час внезапно появилась БМП ARM и начала стрелять ...
Как только у них кончились патроны, солдат убежал, другие подумали, что он сбежал. Этот парень (Н. Атакишиев) в одиночку сел на их БТР, на полной скорости наехал на БМП и повредил башню, чтобы остановить. Затем бойцы АЗ покинули позиции и бросили внутрь гранату. Экипаж + 6 человек погибли в БМП
БТР тоже сгорел. Им удалось вывести Атакишиева из БТР, и он недавно был выписан из больницы. В этой аварии у АЗ был ранен 1 человек. Район находится вокруг дороги, ведущей на Мадагиз, за ​​ней. -Элгун Генцимсой

[fahed]

Цитата (Agapit @ Дек 4 2020, 12:21)

Солдат АЗ с АКМ, оснащенный цевьем FAB Defense QRP и рефлекторным прицелом Aimpoint MEPRO M21. МТ-ЛБ с зенитной пушкой «Застава М55» на заднем плане

Я БУДУ НАЗЫВАТЬ ЭТОГО МУЖИКА МИСТЕР СТИЛЬ.

[fahed]

Работа армянского ПВО.

[Juan Carlos]

Цитата (fahed @ Дек 4 2020, 14:51)

Работа армянского ПВО.

Выходит, армянские ЗРК спокойно могут вести огонь и по наземным целям.
Отлично. Это крайне неприятный сюрприз для НАТО и их приспешников.
Раз армяне могут, то и старшие братья по ОДКБ умеют.
Теперь, если чо, и небо на замке, и земля на засове. Мыщь не проскочит - её тут же уебут из С300!

Аналогов в мире - нет.