Нагорный Карабах, Противостояние Армении и Азербайджана

[Pampa]

Цитата (Agapit @ Сегодня, 13:34)

Вчерашний дрон был?

Вчера был.

[fahed]

Цитата (Agapit @ Окт 12 2020, 13:30)

Просто стволы опознали, потому запостил

Цитата (fahed @ Окт 9 2020, 11:22)

2 MT-LB with Zastava M55 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, captured)

Что их там опозновать, уж очень примечательная херня )




Обновление потерь от Орикса, армяне уже 2 танковых полчка проебали, но 9 он ЕМНИП писал о 2 Реппелентах - сейчас 1.

Tanks (86, of which destroyed or abandoned: 83)
25 T-72A: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed by loitering munition) (11, destroyed by loitering munition) (12, destroyed by loitering munition) (13, destroyed by loitering munition) (14, damaged) (15, damaged) (16, damaged and captured) (17, damaged and captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured)
5 T-72AV: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
12 T-72B: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition) (5, destroyed by loitering munition) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (8, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured)
44 Unknown T-72: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6. destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18 and 19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed by loitering munition) (40, destroyed by loitering munition) (41, destroyed by loitering munition) (42, destroyed by loitering munition) (43, damaged) (44. damaged)


Armoured fighting vehicles (8, of which destroyed or abandoned: 8)
4 MT-LB with Zastava M55 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, captured)
3 MT-LB with ZU-23 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)
1 Unknown AFV: (1, destroyed)

Infantry fighting vehicles (18, of which destroyed or abandoned: 18)
9 BMP-1: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, damaged and captured) (8, captured) (9, captured)
8 BMP-2: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, abandoned) (4, abandoned) (5, abandoned) (6, abandoned) (7, captured) (8, captured)
1 Unknown BMP: (1, destroyed)

Armoured recovery vehicles (1, of which destroyed or abandoned: 1)
1 BTS-2: (1, captured)

Towed artillery (21, of which destroyed or abandoned: 20)
1 100mm (KS-19) AA gun used as howitzer: (1, destroyed)
14 122mm (D-30) howitzer 2A18: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, 12 and 13, captured) (14, captured)
1 152 mm (D-1 gun-howitzer M-1943: (1, destroyed)
5 152 mm (D-20) gun-howitzer M-1955: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, damaged)

Self-propelled artillery (11, of which destroyed: 11)
7 122mm 2S1 Gvozdika: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, damaged)
4 152mm 2S3 Akatsiya: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)

Multiple rocket launchers (25, of which destroyed: 25)
22 122mm BM-21: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed by loitering munition) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed by loitering munition) (22, destroyed by loitering munition)
2 273mm WM-80: (1 and 2, destroyed)
1 TOS-1A: (1, destroyed)

Mortars (8, of which destroyed or abandoned: 8)
2 60mm M57: (1 and 2, captured)
5 120mm M75: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
1 Unknown mortar: (1, destroyed) (2, captured)

Surface-to-air missile systems (15, of which destroyed: 15)
3 9K35 Strela-10: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)
10 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 2K12 Kub: (1, destroyed)
1 S-300PS: (1, destroyed by loitering munition)

Radars (5, of which destroyed: 5)
1 P-18 ''Spoon Rest D'': (1, destroyed)
2 ST86U/36D6 ''Tin Shield'' (for S-300): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
1 19J6 (for S-300): (1, destroyed)
1 1S32 ''Pat Hand'' (for 2K11 Krug): (1, destroyed)

Jammers and Deception systems (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 Repellent-1: (1, destroyed)

Aircraft (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 Su-25K (1, crashed)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (1, of which destroyed or abandoned: 1)
1 Unknown UAV: (1, destroyed)

Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (159, of which destroyed or abandoned: 159)
12 GAZ-3308: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, damaged and captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured)
1 9T217 transloader (for 9K33 Osa): (1, destroyed)
12 KamAZ: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed by loitering munition) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10 and 11, captured) (12, captured)
9 ZiL-131: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, damaged and captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured)
2 Ural-375A: (1, captured) (2, captured)
35 Ural-4320: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed by loitering munition) (18, abandoned) (19, abandoned) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32 and 33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured)
27 Ural-43206: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, damaged and captured) (4, captured) (5, damaged and captured) (6, damaged and captured) (7, damaged and captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, 18, 19, 20 and 21, captured) (22, captured) (23 and 24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured)
4 UAZ-452: (1, damaged and abandoned) (2, damaged and abandoned) (3, captured) (4, captured)
7 UAZ-469: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, damaged and captured) (4, damaged and captured) (5, damaged and captured) (6, captured) (7, captured)
8 UAZ-23602-130: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured)
25 Unknown truck: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed by loitering munition) (15, destroyed by loitering munition) (16, destroyed by loitering munition) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19 and 20, captured) (21, captured) (22, 23, 24 and 25)
16 Van or jeep: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, 5 and 6, destroyed) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured)
1 Bus (carrying reinforcements): (1, destroyed)


Decoys (2, of which destroyed or abandoned: 2)
2 Decoy 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition)

Strategic locations hit (8)
military base: (1) (2)
command post: (1) (2)
munitions stockpile: (1) (2)
storage depot: (1, hit by loitering munition)
Stepanakert Airport: (1, hit by loitering munition)

Anti-tank guided missiles (12 captured, of which 4 launcher or optic)
4 9M111 Fagot: (1, 2, 3 and 4, captured)
1 9M113 Konkurs: (1, captured)
1 9P135M launcher for the 9M111 Fagot and 9M113 Konkurs: (1, captured)
3 9M133M-2 Kornet-EM: (1, 2 and 3, captured)
2 9P163-1 launcher for the 9M133M-2 Kornet-EM: (1, captured) (2, captured)
1 1PN65 'Trakt-1' thermal optic for 9P135M Konkurs ATGM launcher: (1, captured)

Azerbaijan

Tanks (21, of which destroyed or abandoned: 21)
3 T-72A: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged) (3, damaged)
6 T-72AV/T-72 ''Aslan'': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, damaged) (5, damaged) (6, damaged)
9 Unknown T-72: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed)
2 T-90S: (1, damaged and captured) (2, damaged and captured)


Infantry fighting vehicles (18, of which destroyed or abandoned: 17)
2 BMP-1: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
8 BMP-2: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, damaged and abandoned) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured)
1 BMP-3: (1, destroyed)
4 BTR-82A: (1, damaged) (2, damaged and captured) (3, captured) (4, captured)
3 Unknown BMP: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed)


Engineering equipment (1, of which destroyed or abandoned: 0)
1 IMR-2: (1, damaged)

Aircraft and Helicopters (6, of which destroyed or abandoned: 6)
5 An-2 (used as unmanned bait in order for Armenia to reveal air defence systems): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed)
1 Mi-8/17 (Loss admitted by Azerbaijan)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (14, of which destroyed or abandoned: 14)
6 IAI Harop: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed)
1 Orbiter 1K: (1, damaged and captured)
8 Unknown UAV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed)


Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (11, of which destroyed or abandoned: 10)
2 Ural-4320: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
2 KamAZ: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
1 MAZ: (1, damaged)
6 Unknown truck: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4 and 5, destroyed) (6, destroyed)

[pfc_joker]

Цитата (pfc_joker @ Окт 10 2020, 21:47)

А вот тут РС с точно такой же маркировкой Генпрокуратура Азербайджана идентифицирует как 9М525 "Смерча"

https://ru-ru.facebook.com/prokurorluq/post...519213691472980



Кто-нибудь идентифицировал, что это в реальности? Китайские РСы к AR-1A или WM-80? Или азербайджанские фейки?

P.S. Думаю, 8К14 реально применялись, может и перехваты реально были. Но тут явно не она.

По наводке с ЛА:



Т.е. получается, что чёрные РСы все однотипные. На этом виден и серийный номер 1205ххх, как на РСах из Степанакерта и с места якобы обстрела трубопровода, и индекс 34004-9040-51, в точности такой же, как на "9М525" от Генпрокуратуры Азербайджана (обозначение данного типа ракетного двигателя/ракетной части РС?).

Свежее фото – от Anna News из-под Гадрута.

Так что это в итоге такое? EXTRA или Kasirga? По-моему, однозначно пока так и не опознали.

[Pampa]

Цитата (pfc_joker @ Сегодня, 13:41)

EXTRA или Kasirga?

Если обе стороны используют, то логично предположить смерч.

[pfc_joker]

Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 12 2020, 13:44)

Если обе стороны используют, то логично предположить смерч.

Он однозначно не российского производства. Что касается двух сторон – азербайджанцы вон и обломки "Харопа" выкладывают как сбитые армянские БПЛА Думаю, одна из сторон заблуждается или целенаправленно врёт.

[Pampa]

Цитата (fahed @ Сегодня, 13:37)

Tanks (86,

Трети если не половины танков уже лишились.

[Pampa]

Цитата (pfc_joker @ Сегодня, 13:47)

азербайджанцы вон и обломки "Харопа" выкладывают как сбитые армянские БПЛА

Где это было?

[fahed]

Цитата (pfc_joker @ Сегодня, 13:41)

Так что это в итоге такое? EXTRA или Kasirga? По-моему, однозначно пока так и не опознали.

турецкие ракеты вроде зеленого цвета.

[pfc_joker]

Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 12 2020, 13:49)

Где это было?

Всё тот же Гаджиев выкладывал как Armenia's kamikadze dron

https://twitter.com/HikmetHajiyev/status/1314089406916161536

[Pampa]

Цитата (pfc_joker @ Окт 12 2020, 13:53)

Всё тот же Гаджиев выкладывал как Armenia's kamikadze dron

https://twitter.com/HikmetHajiyev/status/1314089406916161536

Не знаю такого блогира. По любому это не оф. лицо.

[Agapit]

Цитата (Agapit @ Окт 12 2020, 12:00)

WARHEADS-E18W0000B бьется по номеру в индийских закупках за 2014г.
вторая строка
https://www.zauba.com/import-/hs-code-93/mo...Z/-hs-code.html

[pfc_joker]

Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 12 2020, 13:54)

Не знаю такого блогира. По любому это не оф. лицо.

Ну здравствуйте.

https://www.turan.az/ext/news/2018/11/free/...ws/en/76947.htm

[pentpro]

Что там с пруфом на тор - был или так и не подвезли ?

[Pampa]

Цитата (pfc_joker @ Окт 12 2020, 14:00)

Ну здравствуйте.

https://www.turan.az/ext/news/2018/11/free/...ws/en/76947.htm

Официальное?

[Pampa]

Цитата (pentpro @ Окт 12 2020, 14:09)

Что там с пруфом на тор - был или так и не подвезли ?

Было в этой теме.

[truecounter]

Цитата (Agapit @ Окт 12 2020, 13:55)

WARHEADS-E18W0000B бьется по номеру в индийских закупках за 2014г.
вторая строка
https://www.zauba.com/import-/hs-code-93/mo...Z/-hs-code.html

NEW WARHEADS-E18W0000B-70% ROCKET

соответственно скорее БЧ ракеты. Может быть ЗРК Барак или Питон с Дерби для ЗРК Спайдер - все это есть и у Индии

[fahed]

Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 12 2020, 14:17)

Официальное?

Assistant of the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Head of Foreign Policy Affairs Department of the Presidential Administration.

[Waran]

А что по су 25 якобы сбитому армянами?
Как обычно или есть какие то пруфы?

[fahed]

Цитата (Waran @ Окт 12 2020, 14:24)

А что по су 25 якобы сбитому армянами?
Как обычно или есть какие то пруфы?

Пока есть инфо лишь об одном потерянном Су-25 - армянском - который был сбит горой, подло выросшей на его пути.

[Бармалей]

Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 12 2020, 13:47)

Трети если не половины танков уже лишились.

Не весь списочный состав танков на начало конфликта был исправен.. Так что скорее всего танков меньше половины осталось.