Нагорный Карабах, Противостояние Армении и Азербайджана

[Pampa]

Цитата (Alexv @ Сегодня, 12:19)

Слова "цена виллы на Лазурном берегу" - это же очень сложно для понимания

Слова понятные, логики в них нет.

Зачем ты виллу приплёл?

[Patriot]

Судя по лютому агру и хейту в теме, а так же потрясанием ЗВР и иконой с вошьдем, то вторая армия ОДКБ показывает себя примерно так же как обычно показывает и первая?

[Pampa]

Цитата (Ghostbear @ Сегодня, 12:27)

Ну да, ну да.

Ага. Ходил тут один, рассказывал что 5 тыр это 1200 долларов по ппс.

[Ghostbear]

Цитата (volondv02 @ Сегодня, 12:23)

Где сцука прорывы?В продаже зерновых ,россаду который мы покупаем из клятой Гейропы,в мясе птицы там же мы закупаем типа яйцазаготовок?В Армате где Уралвагонозавод признан банкротом?Про Ангстрем-Т с первичной микроэлектроникой? Где ?

Накидал на вентилятор - молодец)
Про Вагонзавод ваще смешно.

[Alexv]

Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 21 2020, 12:28)

Слова понятные, логики в них нет.

Зачем ты виллу приплёл?

А ты под "недвижимость в стране НАТО" что имел ввиду? Двушку в марсельской панельке?

[Rurouni]

Цитата (Вуду @ Окт 21 2020, 08:14)

- Ты видел, какой там был "Спайдер"? Вариант мини-, для нищебродов:  4 ракеты Питон-5 (а может, по дешёвке, и Питон-4!).  Я там не видел даже РЛС, когда на парадах его возили! Там было что-то вообще до предела урезанное, типа оптический визир и ПУ с четырьмя ракетами Питон.  (Дерби - точно не было.)

Видел. Без радара, с питон 4. Ну начинается, "гранаты не той системы", "папуасская версия"

Цитата

- Извинитте!  Вот как раз говорили, что один, то ли Су-24М, то ли даже Ту-22М3 именно "Спайдер" гразинский и сбил... Ракета-то очень точная, с координатором очень цепким.
https://anna-news.info/modernizatsiya-gruzinskih-zrk-spyder/

Байки о том что сбил пошли, когда стали находить запущенные ракеты. Но ничего не подтвердилось. Ракета конечно точная, и "с цепким координатором" была как минимум 3 раза запущена и ни разу не попала.

[fahed]

Еще трофейная техника .продемонстрированная МО Азербайджана









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[12th]

Цитата (валерий @ Окт 21 2020, 12:26)

Кста я тут командный состав аскеров посмотрел, многие закончили ВВУЗы при совке. И не чо, воюють. Как же так?

Ну вот по советски и воюют. Хорошо (с)

[poxmeliator]

Цитата (pfc_joker @ Окт 21 2020, 12:17)

Так по-моему это объяснение чуть ли не с первого дня, когда ещё даже особо тяжёлой ситуации не было.

Азербайджанская пропаганда, конечно, совершенно гениально вбросила тезис "Пашинян – ставленник Сороса" в самом начале конфликта. На эту целевую аудиторию он сработал на все 146%. С тех пор значительная часть патриотической общественности так и пишет "какое ещё ОДКБ, не будем помогать этим соросятам, пусть в НАТО обращаются". Посмотри хоть на том же ЛА.

Вот только обосновать доказать его не могут. Многие приводимые обиды, это вообще было до Пашиняна.

[12th]

Цитата (pfc_joker @ Окт 21 2020, 12:17)

Так по-моему это объяснение чуть ли не с первого дня, когда ещё даже особо тяжёлой ситуации не было.

Азербайджанская пропаганда, конечно, совершенно гениально вбросила тезис "Пашинян – ставленник Сороса" в самом начале конфликта. На эту целевую аудиторию он сработал на все 146%. С тех пор значительная часть патриотической общественности так и пишет "какое ещё ОДКБ, не будем помогать этим соросятам, пусть в НАТО обращаются". Посмотри хоть на том же ЛА.

Мда...

[Ghost]

Цитата (Вуду @ Сегодня, 11:19)

- Доктрина Дуэ была продемонстрирована США и НАТО в Сербии в 1999 году. КР+ВТО бомбы.

То то НАТО целый флот в Адриатику пригнали и еще с окрестных аэродромов летали.
То другое... С превосходством то ладно. А теперь попробуйте поменять Сербию и НАТО местами.
Пусть Маленькая Сербия отработает по НАТЕ "КР+ВТО бомбы".

[12th]

Вроде 4 села аскерам осталось до матери всех битв.
https://t.me/MaidenTower/5345

[Madiev]

Цитата (валерий @ Окт 21 2020, 12:19)

Ипать ту машу. Да шож це таке робется? Россияне виноваты шо опиздюливаются ары.

Да у них во всём всегда виноваты россияне. Трампа избрали - виновата Россия, Трампа не переизберут - виновата будет Россия. Арабы проиграли войну - виноват СССР, недоэшелонировали, в генштабе плохо обучили, армяне проигрывают - опять же россияне плохие. Уверен, что если бы Азеры наоборот проигрывали бы - опять же Россия была бы виновата, сказали бы: "Во, Т-90 даже в Азербайджане сосут" или "Азерам столько наэшелонировали ПВО, но даже тут не помогло".
У них всегда в любом шухере в мире будет виновата Россия, пора привыкнуть. Что с них взять? Пропагандоны же.

[fahed]

Цитата (12th @ Окт 21 2020, 12:40)

Вроде 4 села аскерам осталось до матери всех битв.

До Лачина?

[12th]

Цитата (fahed @ Окт 21 2020, 12:43)

До Лачина?

Ага

[fahed]

Цитата (Madiev @ Сегодня, 12:42)

Да у них во всём всегда виноваты россияне. Трампа избрали - виновата Россия

Ты бы не мог пруфануть такое утверждение цитатой с форума? ну чтоб не вышло, что пропагондон тут ты.
Заранее спасибо.

[fahed]

Армянские банки простят кредиты военнослужащим, павшим при защите Родины

Парламент Армении в первом чтении принял законопроект, согласно которому банки простят кредитные обязательства погибшим или получившим инвалидность в бою военнослужащим.

Согласно законопроекту государство отказывается от налогов, если банки прощают кредиты военным, которые погибли или стали инвалидами при защите Родины.

[Pampa]

Цитата (fahed @ Сегодня, 12:35)

Еще трофейная техника .продемонстрированная МО Азербайджана

Наверное у Карабаха техники уже и не осталось.

[валерий]

Цитата (12th @ Окт 21 2020, 12:35)

Ну вот по советски и воюют. Хорошо (с)

Ты уже придумал войну без жертв?Я правильно тебя понял?

[fahed]

Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 21 2020, 12:58)

Наверное у Карабаха техники уже и не осталось.

Без учета вот этих единиц 20, что показали полчаса назад, потери и так впечатляющие

Armenia losses

Tanks (112, of which destroyed or abandoned: 109)
31 T-72A: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed by loitering munition) (16, destroyed by loitering munition) (17, destroyed by loitering munition) (18, destroyed by loitering munition) (19, damaged) (20, damaged) (21, damaged and captured) (22, damaged and captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured)
1 T-72AK: (1, captured)
9 T-72AV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, recaptured)
17 T-72B: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed by loitering munition) (8, destroyed by loitering munition) (9, destroyed by loitering munition) (10, damaged and captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured)
55 Unknown T-72: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6. destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed by loitering munition) (51, destroyed by loitering munition) (52, destroyed by loitering munition) (53, destroyed by loitering munition) (54, damaged) (55, damaged)


Armoured fighting vehicles (19, of which destroyed or abandoned: 19)
10 MT-LB with Zastava M55 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured)
3 MT-LB with ZU-23 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)
1 MT-LB with AZP S-60 AA gun: (1, destroyed)
1 MT-LB: (1, captured)
1 BTR-70: (1, destroyed)
3 Unknown AFV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)

Infantry fighting vehicles (26, of which destroyed or abandoned: 26)
10 BMP-1: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, damaged and captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured)
14 BMP-2: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed by loitering munition) (9, abandoned) (10, abandoned) (11, abandoned) (12, abandoned) (13, captured) (14, captured)
2 Unknown BMP: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)

Armoured recovery vehicles (1, of which destroyed or abandoned: 1)
1 BTS-2: (1, captured)

Self-propelled anti-tank missile system (2, of which destroyed or abandoned: 2)
1 9P149 Shturm-S: (1, captured)
1 9P148 Konkurs: (1, captured)

Towed artillery (41, of which destroyed or abandoned: 39)
1 100mm (KS-19) AA gun used as howitzer: (1, destroyed)
21 122mm (D-30) howitzer 2A18: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, 15 and 16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19 and 20, captured) (21, captured)
6 152mm (D-1) gun-howitzer M-1943: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, captured) (4 and 5, captured) (6, captured)
11 152mm (D-20) gun-howitzer M-1955: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, damaged) (7, damaged) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured)
2 152mm 2A36 Giatsint-B field-gun: (1) (2)

Self-propelled artillery (12, of which destroyed: 12)
8 122mm 2S1 Gvozdika: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, damaged)
4 152mm 2S3 Akatsiya: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)

Multiple rocket launchers (52, of which destroyed: 52)
47 122mm BM-21 'Grad': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed by loitering munition) (44, destroyed by loitering munition) (45, destroyed by loitering munition) (46, destroyed by loitering munition) (47, destroyed by loitering munition)
2 273mm WM-80: (1 and 2, destroyed)
1 220mm TOS-1A: (1, destroyed)
1 300mm BM-30 'Smerch': (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 Unknown MRL: (1, destroyed)

Ballistic Missiles (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 R-17 'Scud-B': (1, destroyed)

Mortars (9, of which destroyed or abandoned: 9)
2 60mm M57: (1 and 2, captured)
5 120mm M75: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
2 Unknown mortar: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured)

Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 ZSU-23-4 'Shilka': (1, destroyed)

Surface-to-air missile systems (20, of which destroyed: 20)
3 9K35 Strela-10: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)
11 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed by loitering munition) (11, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 2K12 Kub (inoperational): (1, destroyed)
4 S-300PS: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 S-300 component: (1, destroyed)

Radars (8, of which destroyed: 8)
1 P-18 ''Spoon Rest D'': (1, destroyed)
3 ST86U/36D6 ''Tin Shield'' (for S-300): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 5N63S ''Flap Lid'' (for S-300): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 19J6 (for S-300): (1, destroyed)
1 1S32 ''Pat Hand'' (for 2K11 Krug): (1, destroyed)
1 1S91 SURN (for 2K12 Kub): (1, destroyed)

Jammers and Deception systems (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 Repellent-1: (1, destroyed)

Aircraft (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 Su-25K (1, crashed)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (2, of which destroyed or abandoned: 2)
1 X-55: (1, destroyed)
1 Unknown UAV: (1, destroyed)

Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (273, of which destroyed or abandoned: 273)
4 GAZ-66: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured)
22 GAZ-3308: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, damaged and captured) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured)
1 9T217 transloader (for 9K33 Osa): (1, destroyed)
26 KamAZ: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, 6 and 7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed by loitering munition) (11, destroyed by loitering munition) (12, damaged and captured) (13, damaged and captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17 and 18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured)
16 ZiL-131: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, damaged and captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15 and 16, captured)
3 Ural-375A: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured)
56 Ural-4320: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17 and 18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed by loitering munition) (29, abandoned) (30, abandoned) (31, damaged and captured) (32, damaged and captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured) (38, captured) (39, captured) (40, captured) (41, captured) (42, captured) (43, captured) (44, captured) (45 and 46, captured) (47, captured) (48, captured) (49, captured) (50, captured) (51, captured) (52, captured) (53, captured) (54, captured) (55, captured) (56, captured)
36 Ural-43206: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, damaged and captured) (9, captured) (10, damaged and captured) (11, damaged and captured) (12, damaged and captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, 23, 24, 25 and 26, captured) (27, captured) (28 and 29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, 35 and 36, captured)
7 UAZ-452: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged and abandoned) (3, damaged and abandoned) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured)
18 UAZ-469: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (7, damaged and captured) (8, damaged and captured) (8, damaged and captured) (9, damaged and captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured)
1 UAZ Patriot: (1, destroyed)
7 UAZ-23602-130: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured)
5 UAZ-23632: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
48 Unknown truck: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16 and 17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed by loitering munition) (29, destroyed by loitering munition) (30, destroyed by loitering munition) (31, destroyed by loitering munition) (32, destroyed by loitering munition) (33, destroyed by loitering munition) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36 and 37, captured) (38, captured) (39, 40, 41 and 42, captured) (43, captured) (44, captured) (45, captured) (46, captured) (47, captured) (48, captured)
22 Van or jeep: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, 5 and 6, destroyed) (7 and 8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, damaged and captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured)
1 Bus (carrying reinforcements): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)


Decoys (2, of which destroyed or abandoned: 2)
2 Decoy 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition)

Strategic locations hit (11)
Radio mast: (1)
military base: (1) (2) (3)
command post: (1) (2)
storage depot: (1) (2, hit by loitering munition)
Stepanakert Airport: (1, hit by loitering munition)

Anti-tank guided missiles (40 captured, of which 6 launcher or optic)
13 9M111 Fagot: (1, 2, 3 and 4, captured) (5, 6, 7 and 8, captured) (9, 10 and 11, captured) (12 and 13, captured)
10 9M113 Konkurs: (1, captured) (2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, captured) (8, captured) (9 and 10, captured)
6 9M115 Metis: (1 and 2, captured) (3, 4, 5 and 6, captured)
3 9P135M launcher for the 9M111 Fagot and 9M113 Konkurs: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured)
6 9M133M-2 Kornet-EM: (1, 2 and 3, captured) (4, 5 and 6, captured)
2 9P163-1 launcher for the 9M133M-2 Kornet-EM: (1, captured) (2, captured)
1 1PN65 'Trakt-1' thermal optic for 9P135M Konkurs ATGM launcher: (1, captured)

Azerbaijan

Tanks (23, of which destroyed or abandoned: 21)
3 T-72A: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged) (3, damaged)
7 T-72AV/T-72 ''Aslan'': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, damaged) (5, damaged) (6, damaged) (7, captured by Armenia, but later recaptured by Azerbaijan)
10 Unknown T-72: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, damaged)
2 T-90S: (1, damaged and captured) (2, damaged and captured)


Infantry fighting vehicles (20, of which destroyed or abandoned: 19)
2 BMP-1: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
10 BMP-2: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, damaged and abandoned) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured)
1 BMP-3: (1, destroyed)
4 BTR-82A: (1, damaged) (2, damaged and captured) (3, captured) (4, captured)
3 Unknown BMP: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed)


Engineering equipment (1, of which destroyed or abandoned: 0)
1 IMR-2: (1, damaged)

Aircraft and Helicopters (8, of which destroyed or abandoned: 8)
8 An-2 (used as unmanned bait in order for Armenia to reveal the location of air defence systems): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, crashed)
1 Mi-8/17 (Loss admitted by Azerbaijan)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (17, of which destroyed or abandoned: 17)
7 IAI Harop: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, crashed in Iran) (8, crashed in Iran)
1 Orbiter 1K: (1, damaged and captured)
1 Bayraktar TB2: (1, crashed)
8 Unknown UAV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed)


Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (13, of which destroyed or abandoned: 11)
2 Ural-4320: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
2 KamAZ: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
1 MAZ: (1, damaged)
1 Matador MRAP: (1, damaged)
1 Plasan Sand Cat: (1, destroyed)
7 Unknown truck: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4 and 5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed)