Нагорный Карабах, Противостояние Армении и Азербайджана

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Обновленные потери сторон по состоянию на вчера.


Армения


Tanks (141, of which destroyed or abandoned: 138)
44 T-72A: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed by loitering munition) (18, destroyed by loitering munition) (19, destroyed by loitering munition) (20, destroyed by loitering munition) (21, damaged) (22, damaged) (23, damaged and captured) (24, damaged and captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, 38, 39 and 40, captured) (41 and 42, captured) (43 and 44, captured)
1 T-72AK: (1, captured)
10 T-72AV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, recaptured)
25 T-72B: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed by loitering munition) (8, destroyed by loitering munition) (9, destroyed by loitering munition) (10, destroyed by loitering munition) (11, damaged and captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19 and 20, captured) (21 and 22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured)
61 Unknown T-72: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6. destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed) (51, destroyed) (52, destroyed) (53, destroyed) (54, destroyed) (55, destroyed by loitering munition) (56, destroyed by loitering munition) (57, destroyed by loitering munition) (58, destroyed by loitering munition) (59, damaged) (60, damaged) (61, captured)


Armoured fighting vehicles (20, of which destroyed or abandoned: 20)
10 MT-LB with Zastava M55 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured)
3 MT-LB with ZU-23 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)
1 MT-LB with AZP S-60 AA gun: (1, destroyed)
2 MT-LB: (1, destroyed) (2, captured)
1 BTR-70: (1, destroyed)
3 Unknown AFV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)

Infantry fighting vehicles (35, of which destroyed or abandoned: 35)
16 BMP-1: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, damaged and captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured)
17 BMP-2: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed by loitering munition) (10, abandoned) (11, abandoned) (12, abandoned) (13, abandoned) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured)
2 Unknown BMP: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)

Armoured recovery vehicles (2, of which destroyed or abandoned: 2)
2 BTS-2: (1, captured) (2, captured)

Self-propelled anti-tank missile system (2, of which destroyed or abandoned: 2)
1 9P149 Shturm-S: (1, captured)
1 9P148 Konkurs: (1, captured)

Towed artillery (50, of which destroyed or abandoned: 48)
1 100mm (KS-19) AA gun used as howitzer: (1, destroyed)
28 122mm (D-30) howitzer 2A18: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, 22 and 23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26 and 27, captured) (28, captured)
8 152mm (D-1) gun-howitzer M-1943: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, captured) (6 and 7, captured) (8, captured)
11 152mm (D-20) gun-howitzer M-1955: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, damaged) (7, damaged) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured)
2 152mm 2A36 Giatsint-B field-gun: (1) (2)

Self-propelled artillery (12, of which destroyed: 12)
8 122mm 2S1 Gvozdika: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, damaged)
4 152mm 2S3 Akatsiya: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)

Multiple rocket launchers (56, of which destroyed: 56)
51 122mm BM-21 'Grad': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed by loitering munition) (48, destroyed by loitering munition) (49, destroyed by loitering munition) (50, destroyed by loitering munition) (51, destroyed by loitering munition)
2 273mm WM-80: (1 and 2, destroyed)
1 220mm TOS-1A: (1, destroyed)
1 300mm BM-30 'Smerch': (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 Unknown MRL: (1, destroyed)

Ballistic Missiles (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 R-17 'Scud-B': (1, destroyed)

Mortars (9, of which destroyed or abandoned: 9)
2 60mm M57: (1 and 2, captured)
5 120mm M75: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
2 Unknown mortar: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured)

Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 ZSU-23-4 'Shilka': (1, destroyed)

Surface-to-air missile systems (20, of which destroyed: 20)
3 9K35 Strela-10: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)
11 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed by loitering munition) (11, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 2K12 Kub (inoperational): (1, destroyed)
4 S-300PS: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 S-300 component: (1, destroyed)

Radars (8, of which destroyed: 8)
1 P-18 ''Spoon Rest D'': (1, destroyed)
3 ST86U/36D6 ''Tin Shield'' (for S-300): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 5N63S ''Flap Lid'' (for S-300): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 19J6 (for S-300): (1, destroyed)
1 1S32 ''Pat Hand'' (for 2K11 Krug): (1, destroyed)
1 1S91 SURN (for 2K12 Kub): (1, destroyed)

Jammers and Deception systems (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 Repellent-1: (1, destroyed)

Aircraft (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 Su-25K (1, crashed)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (2, of which destroyed or abandoned: 2)
1 X-55: (1, destroyed)
1 Unknown UAV: (1, destroyed)

Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (306, of which destroyed or abandoned: 306)
6 GAZ-66: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured)
22 GAZ-3308: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, damaged and captured) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured)
1 9T217 transloader (for 9K33 Osa): (1, destroyed)
28 KamAZ: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, 6 and 7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed by loitering munition) (13, destroyed by loitering munition) (14, damaged and captured) (15, damaged and captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19 and 20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured)
16 ZiL-131: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, damaged and captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15 and 16, captured)
3 Ural-375A: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured)
68 Ural-4320: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17 and 18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28 and 29, destroyed) (30 and 31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed by loitering munition) (41, abandoned) (42, abandoned) (43, damaged and captured) (44, damaged and captured) (45, captured) (46, captured) (47, captured) (48, captured) (49, captured) (50, captured) (51, captured) (52, captured) (53, captured) (54, captured) (55, captured) (56, captured) (57 and 58, captured) (59, captured) (60, captured) (61, captured) (62, captured) (63, captured) (64, captured) (65, captured) (66, captured) (67, captured) (68, captured)
36 Ural-43206: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, damaged and captured) (9, captured) (10, damaged and captured) (11, damaged and captured) (12, damaged and captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, 23, 24, 25 and 26, captured) (27, captured) (28 and 29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, 35 and 36, captured)
7 UAZ-452: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged and abandoned) (3, damaged and abandoned) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured)
18 UAZ-469: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (7, damaged and captured) (8, damaged and captured) (8, damaged and captured) (9, damaged and captured) (10, captured) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured)
1 UAZ Patriot: (1, destroyed)
7 UAZ-23602-130: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured)
5 UAZ-23632: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
60 Unknown truck: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16 and 17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed by loitering munition) (41, destroyed by loitering munition) (42, destroyed by loitering munition) (43, destroyed by loitering munition) (44, destroyed by loitering munition) (45 destroyed by loitering munition) (46, captured) (47, captured) (48 and 49, captured) (50, captured) (51, 52, 53 and 54, captured) (55, captured) (56, captured) (57, captured) (58, captured) (59, captured) (60, captured)
25 Van or jeep: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, 5 and 6, destroyed) (7 and 8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, 13 and 14, destroyed) (15, damaged and captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured)
1 Bus (carrying reinforcements): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 Tank trailer: (1, destroyed)
1 S-300 trailer: (1, destroyed)


Decoys (2, of which destroyed or abandoned: 2)
2 Decoy 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition)

Strategic locations hit (11)
Radio mast: (1)
military base: (1) (2) (3)
command post: (1) (2)
storage depot: (1) (2, hit by loitering munition)
Stepanakert Airport: (1, hit by loitering munition)

Anti-tank guided missiles (40 captured, of which 6 launcher or optic)
13 9M111 Fagot: (1, 2, 3 and 4, captured) (5, 6, 7 and 8, captured) (9, 10 and 11, captured) (12 and 13, captured)
10 9M113 Konkurs: (1, captured) (2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, captured) (8, captured) (9 and 10, captured)
6 9M115 Metis: (1 and 2, captured) (3, 4, 5 and 6, captured)
3 9P135M launcher for the 9M111 Fagot and 9M113 Konkurs: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured)
6 9M133M-2 Kornet-EM: (1, 2 and 3, captured) (4, 5 and 6, captured)
2 9P163-1 launcher for the 9M133M-2 Kornet-EM: (1, captured) (2, captured)
1 1PN65 'Trakt-1' thermal optic for 9P135M Konkurs ATGM launcher: (1, captured)

Azerbaijan

Tanks (23, of which destroyed or abandoned: 21)
3 T-72A: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged) (3, damaged)
7 T-72AV/T-72 ''Aslan'': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, damaged) (5, damaged) (6, damaged) (7, captured by Armenia, but later recaptured by Azerbaijan)
10 Unknown T-72: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, damaged)
2 T-90S: (1, damaged and captured) (2, damaged and captured)


Infantry fighting vehicles (22, of which destroyed or abandoned: 21)
2 BMP-1: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
11 BMP-2: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, damaged and abandoned) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured)
1 BMP-3: (1, destroyed)
5 BTR-82A: (1, damaged) (2, damaged and captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
3 Unknown BMP: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed)


Engineering equipment (1, of which destroyed or abandoned: 0)
1 IMR-2: (1, damaged)

Aircraft and Helicopters (8, of which destroyed or abandoned: 8)
8 An-2 (used as unmanned bait in order for Armenia to reveal the location of air defence systems): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, crashed)
1 Mi-8/17 (Loss admitted by Azerbaijan)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (17, of which destroyed or abandoned: 17)
7 IAI Harop: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, crashed in Iran) (8, crashed in Iran)
1 Orbiter 1K: (1, damaged and captured)
1 Bayraktar TB2: (1, crashed)
8 Unknown UAV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed)


Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (13, of which destroyed or abandoned: 11)
2 Ural-4320: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
2 KamAZ: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
1 MAZ: (1, damaged)
1 Matador MRAP: (1, damaged)
1 Plasan Sand Cat: (1, destroyed)
7 Unknown truck: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4 and 5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed)

[Аарон]

Азербайджанский офицер показывает армянские танки под Физули.

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Великая технологическая держава - Азербайджан - приступил к выпуску собственных дронов-камикадзе Iti Qovan (Гоняющий собак). Их сразу будут применять/применяют на фронте в Карабахе. Явно на основе Орбитера ).

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Как и предупреждали эксперты попадание в МТО туркоракеты даже если и не приводит к уничтожению танка по прежнему подбивает его. Движку пиздос. Что бы вернуть его в строй необходимо эвакуировать танчик из горных ебеней хотя бы в расположение корпусного ремонтного батальона, если не вообше на завод. Да и танковые дизеля денег стоят и число их конечно. А аскеры наступают и в воздухе по прежнему беспилотники которые не пролетят мимо такой цели как БРЭМ или трейлер.

Воевать тяжело.

[fahed]

Цитата (rannev @ Сегодня, 08:59)

Хороший список. Каждый утерянный патрон учтён и не по разу.

На каждую единицу у Орикса есть пруф. Он считает только подтвержденное.

Цитата (rannev @ Сегодня, 08:59)

Пласанский песчаный кот?!

Это МРАП такой


пруф на поражение Пласана

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Цитата (rannev @ Сегодня, 08:59)

за орбитальный аппарат уничтожили?

Дрон Орбитер


сбитый и захваченый армянами

[Pampa]

Цитата (fahed @ Сегодня, 08:47)

Tanks (141

Цитата (fahed @ Сегодня, 08:47)

Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (306

Цитата (Свинобог @ Сегодня, 08:42)

потери не фатальные

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Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 22 2020, 07:40)

У аз. пехоты всё таки бывают боестолкновения.

Во 2х даже 3хлинейка с коллиматором лучше чем без.

Советско-российский подход. Пехота, за исключением ылиты, комплектуется, снабжается и обучается по остаточному принципу. Весь ресурс уходит на технологические рода войск. Такой подход возможен при условии готовности обшества к высокому уровню потерь среди этой самой пехоты ака "Бабы еше нарожают"

[Pampa]

Цитата (Аарон @ Окт 22 2020, 08:47)

Азербайджанский офицер показывает армянские танки под Физули.

Там не только танки, но и грузовики.

[rannev]

Цитата (12th @ Окт 22 2020, 09:03)

Как и предупреждали эксперты попадание в МТО туркоракеты даже если и не приводит к уничтожению танка по прежнему подбивает его. Движку пиздос. Что бы вернуть его в строй необходимо эвакуировать танчик из горных ебеней хотя бы в расположение корпусного ремонтного батальона, если не вообше на завод. Да и танковые дизеля денег стоят и число их конечно. А аскеры наступают и в воздухе по прежнему беспилотники которые не пролетят мимо такой цели как БРЭМ или трейлер.

Воевать тяжело.

В условиях в которых ныне Армения почти вся повреждённая техника видно более не будет воевать.
Грузия озаботилась чтоб запчасти не прошли.
Да похоже Москва и не стремиться спасать .
В принципе можно придти и после капитуляции Пашинянов как это случилось после разгрома дашнаков кемалистами 1920г.
Тогда вымели и дашнаков и сюзеренов их новых.
Я уж предвижу как некоторые тут беспилотник показывают Москве как мышь слону.
Москва понятно ссыт.

[Pampa]

Цитата (12th @ Окт 22 2020, 09:08)

Советско-российский подход. Пехота, за исключением ылиты, комплектуется, снабжается и обучается по остаточному принципу. Весь ресурс уходит на технологические рода войск. Такой подход возможен при условии готовности обшества к высокому уровню потерь среди этой самой пехоты ака "Бабы еше нарожают"

Это примерно везде так, особенно снабжение.

С другой стороны ништяки для пехоты сейчас сильно подешeвели, могли бы более лучше постараться.

[fahed]

Цитата (Pampa @ Сегодня, 09:08)

потери не фатальные

Полсотни + РСЗО, полсотни орудий и САУ +, два десятка ЗРК ..

[12th]

Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 22 2020, 09:12)

Это примерно везде так, особенно снабжение.

С другой стороны ништяки для пехоты сейчас сильно подешeвели, могли бы более лучше постараться.

Не, ну топовые западные армии вкладываются в пехтуру. Потому что тогда потери меньше и пенсий с компенсациями меньше платить. Ну и плюс чем хороши Азербайджан и РФ так это то что тысячей погибших пехотинцев больше, тысячей меньше не имеет значения. На следуюших выборах все равно победит Ильхам Гейдарович и Владимир Владимирович.

Подешеветь то они подешевели, но генералы впитали уже на генетическом уровне еше в советских училишах что пехота бывает воздушная, морская и тупорылая.

[Pampa]

Цитата (fahed @ Сегодня, 09:12)

Полсотни + РСЗО, полсотни орудий и САУ +, два десятка ЗРК ..

И при этом надежда на каких то тренированных резервистов.

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Цитата (rannev @ Окт 22 2020, 09:12)

В условиях в которых ныне Армения почти вся повреждённая техника видно более не будет воевать.
Грузия озаботилась чтоб запчасти не прошли.
Да похоже Москва и не стремиться спасать .
В принципе можно придти и после капитуляции Пашинянов как это случилось после разгрома дашнаков кемалистами 1920г.
Тогда вымели и дашнаков и сюзеренов их новых.
Я уж предвижу как некоторые тут беспилотник показывают Москве как мышь слону.
Москва понятно ссыт.

Ну значит как летом 41. Любой танк уничтоженный, подбитый, поломавшийся идет в безвозвратные потери.

[pfc_joker]

Цитата (fahed @ Окт 22 2020, 09:12)

Полсотни + РСЗО, полсотни орудий и САУ +, два десятка ЗРК ..

Если исходная копипаста про "потери невелики" из Википедии, то, судя по всему, в статью про ВС Армении набежали такие же наркоманы, которые в своё время периодически набегали в статью ВВС Сирии и писали там "48 МиГ-29, 48 Су-24" и т.д.

400 Т-72 в ВС Армении без НКР, 12 ПУ "Искандер" и тому подобный бред. Особенно радуют 20 Т-80, лол.

[Pampa]

Дело то не в запчастях и Грузии, а в том что никак не вытащить поврежденный танк.

[Juan Carlos]

Цитата (Pampa @ Окт 22 2020, 07:40)

У аз. пехоты всё таки бывают боестолкновения.

Во 2х даже 3хлинейка с коллиматором лучше чем без.

Да у всех они бывают. Слабо подготовленный пехотинец одинаково не попадет из трехлинейки, АКМ или G36.

Опять же, диды без коллиматоров нацистскую заразу уничтожили.

[fahed]

Цитата (pfc_joker @ Сегодня, 09:22)

400 Т-72 в ВС Армении без НКР, 12 ПУ "Искандер" и тому подобный бред. Особенно радуют 20 Т-80, лол.

Я так понимаю у НКР и РА всего около 400 танков же? +- конечно.

Цитата (Pampa @ Сегодня, 09:22)

Дело то не в запчастях и Грузии, а в том что никак не вытащить поврежденный танк.

Да и не все экипажи подлежат ьвосстановлению.




Не может не вызвать все таки (несмотря на комменты ахи 12-того) уважения то, с каким упорством и последовательностью азербайджанские военные продолжают реализацию явно подготовленного некого плана операции. Повторюсь, ИМО очень сильно повлияла операция в Африне. Только вот по прошествии недель никакого таки упорства "мотивированнной армянской пехоты" я чет не заметил. Может конечно современные средства поражения, применяемые ВС АР не позволяют оценить, но каких то особо упорных боев за те же н.п. типа Гадрута я не увидел. Курды показывали упорные бои за ту же Барсайю, Раджо и это не возможно было скрыть, здесь же чет никак.

[fahed]

Уничтожение армянского С-125 (прилет по СНР).

[truecounter]

Цитата (12th @ Окт 22 2020, 09:03)

Как и предупреждали эксперты попадание в МТО туркоракеты даже если и не приводит к уничтожению танка по прежнему подбивает его. Движку пиздос. Что бы вернуть его в строй необходимо эвакуировать танчик из горных ебеней хотя бы в расположение корпусного ремонтного батальона, если не вообше на завод. Да и танковые дизеля денег стоят и число их конечно. А аскеры наступают и в воздухе по прежнему беспилотники которые не пролетят мимо такой цели как БРЭМ или трейлер.

Воевать тяжело.

MAM-L комплектуется ОФ ИЛИ кумулятивной БЧ. Судя по всему, используют исключительно осколочную, как более универсальную. Странно, что не соорудили кумулятивно-осколочную. Сверху танк уничтожался бы практически всегда. А так был виден только 1 срыв башни в Сирии и 2 сгорели тут - попадание в башню при открытых люках.
А обычно, видимо, просто разносят радиатор. Впрочем тогда еще и трофей будет, подлежащий восстановлению