Российско-Украинская война Z #28, Ліщина

[Саша Белый]

Возможно вот эта
https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik...dc-4c47461143e4

[anarxi]

Цитата (Juan Carlos @ Мар 30 2025, 12:24)

а в каком номере?
я могу бумажную версию посмотреть, сфоткать и выложить тут

а журнала Моделист-конструктор #6 за 1987 год у Вас случайно нет ?

[Juan Carlos]

Цитата (Саша Белый @ Мар 30 2025, 12:34)

Возможно вот эта
https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik...dc-4c47461143e4

ну это свежий номер, завтра куплю

[Juan Carlos]

Цитата (anarxi @ Мар 30 2025, 12:34)

а журнала Моделист-конструктор #6 за 1987 год у Вас случайно нет ?

не, только Техника Молодежи есть, подшивка за все годы издания.

[Juan Carlos]

карочи, немецкий автопром настоятельно просит военных заказов
типа, мы не хуже рейнметалла или круппа можем выполнять оборонзаказ, и очень хочется кусочек от этих самых 500 миллиардов откусить!


хохлы, потерпите немношк еще, держитесь там.
и не смотрите, что роисяне на вас самокатами и китайскими багги наступают.
скоро я вам пришлю БМВ и Ауди для контнаступов.

[Саша Белый]

Пока мы тут все спим в шапку и ругаем Гейропку -в ЦК о народе думают
в ФРГ четвертую дивизию сформировали -преобразовав окончательно Хейматшуц в полковую структуру
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimatschutzdivision
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimatschutz_..._Heer_(ab_2025)

6 полков резерва (6й формируется в 2025, остальные уже есть) -4 тысячи людей, с планом развить до 6 (т.е. по 1 тыс на полк - не бумажный кадр в папке на полке ,а вполне крепкий)

[Pampa]

Цитата (Juan Carlos @ Сегодня, 12:05)

Всех роисян от души поздравляю!

Ид Мубарак!!!

[Juan Carlos]

Цитата (Pampa @ Мар 30 2025, 13:36)

Ид Мубарак!!!

[Pampa]

Цитата (Саша Белый @ Сегодня, 12:11)

с чего быдло штормзет будет иметь бОльший порыв

Потому что толстенькие гейропейцы без кока колы не воюют.

Во вторых никто не помнит когда они в последний раз воевали.

[Juan Carlos]

Цитата (Pampa @ Мар 30 2025, 13:40)

Потому что толстенькие гейропейцы без кока колы не воюют.

Во вторых никто не помнит когда они в последний раз воевали.

Нас защитят партнеры по НАТО.

[Pampa]

[Pampa]

[frontz]

Цитата (slavikt @ Мар 30 2025, 09:09)

и ведь силой не загоняют,дулом автомата не подталкивают
все сами добровольно
по велению души
народ гной.....

Вы ничего не понимаете, из трубы вылетел "голубь мира"
получилось немного не канонично с хуякой на гиляке, смерд ворогам, славой украине, признаем

[Pampa]

Наступление 2023

How the plans for the 2023 Ukrainian summer offensive changed. <br><br>“Now the Ukrainians would send just four untested brigades abroad for training. (They would prepare eight more inside Ukraine.)…<br><br>General Zaluzhny outlined the final plan at a meeting of the Stavka, a governmental… pic.twitter.com/n00pxoXMn6&mdash; Rob Lee (@RALee85) March 30, 2025

[Саша Белый]

Как криком кричал свинья Крикун -что чуть ли на натовцы лично наступали, кидали мы ихнее западные армии уже:

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As the Ukrainians won greater autonomy in the partnership, they increasingly kept their intentions secret. They were perennially angered that the Americans couldn’t, or wouldn’t, give them all of the weapons and other equipment they wanted. The Americans, in turn, were angered by what they saw as the Ukrainians’ unreasonable demands, and by their reluctance to take politically risky steps to bolster their vastly outnumbered forces.

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The inaugural target would be a radar-equipped armored vehicle known as a Zoopark, which the Russians could use to find weapons systems like the Ukrainians’ M777s. The fusion center found a Zoopark near Russian-occupied Donetsk, in Ukraine’s east.

The Ukrainians would set a trap: First, they would fire toward Russian lines. When the Russians turned on the Zoopark to trace the incoming fire, the fusion center would pinpoint the Zoopark’s coordinates in preparation for the strike.

On the appointed day, General Zabrodskyi recounted, General Donahue called the battalion commander with a pep talk: “You feel good?” he asked. “I feel real good,” the Ukrainian responded. General Donahue then checked the satellite imagery to make sure the target and M777 were properly positioned. Only then did the artilleryman open fire, destroying the Zoopark. “Everybody went, ‘We can do this!’” a U.S. official recalled.

But a critical question remained: Having done this against a single, stationary target, could the partners deploy this system against multiple targets in a major kinetic battle?

Собственно говоря ,да.

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General Donahue told him that satellite imagery showed Ukrainian forces blocked by just one or two Russian tanks, according to Pentagon officials. But unable to see the same satellite images, the Ukrainian commander hesitated, wary of sending his forces forward.

To get the Ukrainians moving, Task Force Dragon sent points of interest, and M777 operators destroyed the tanks with Excalibur missiles — time-consuming steps repeated whenever the Ukrainians encountered a Russian detachment.

Дроны все видят ! говорили нам 4й год.

[Саша Белый]

Цитата

The counteroffensive was to begin on May 1. The intervening months would be spent training for it. General Syrsky would contribute four battle-hardened brigades — each between 3,000 and 5,000 soldiers — for training in Europe; they would be joined by four brigades of new recruits.

The general had other plans.

Вместо дооснащения 4 потрёпанный бригад и ,4 новых - никто не захотел отдавать войска ( ака феодализм)- только новые, и вместо 18л юнцов и обучить их быстро - прислали 40-50л отцов и дидов.

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In Bakhmut, the Russians were deploying, and losing, vast numbers of soldiers. General Syrsky saw an opportunity to engulf them and ignite discord in their ranks. “Take all new guys” for Melitopol, he told General Aguto, according to U.S. officials. And when Mr. Zelensky sided with him, over the objections of both his own supreme commander and the Americans, a key underpinning of the counteroffensive was effectively scuttled.

Now the Ukrainians would send just four untested brigades abroad for training. (They would prepare eight more inside Ukraine.) Plus, the new recruits were old — mostly in their 40s and 50s. When they arrived in Europe, a senior U.S. official recalled, “All we kept thinking was, This is not great.”

The Ukrainian draft age was 27. General Cavoli, who had been promoted to supreme allied commander for Europe, implored General Zaluzhny to “get your 18-year-olds in the game.” But the Americans concluded that neither the president nor the general would own such a politically fraught decision.

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But the drop-dead date came and went. Some promised deliveries of ammunition and equipment had been delayed, and despite General Aguto’s assurances that there was enough to start, the Ukrainians wouldn’t commit until they had it all.

At one point, frustration rising, General Cavoli turned to General Zabrodskyi and said: “Misha, I love your country. But if you don’t do this, you’re going to lose the war.”

“My answer was: ‘I understand what you are saying, Christopher. But please understand me. I’m not the supreme commander. And I’m not the president of Ukraine,’” General Zabrodskyi recalled, adding, “Probably I needed to cry as much as he did.”

At the Pentagon, officials were beginning to sense some graver fissure opening. General Zabrodskyi recalled General Milley asking: “Tell me the truth. Did you change the plan?”

“No, no, no,” he responded. “We did not change the plan, and we are not going to.”

When he uttered these words, he genuinely believed he was telling the truth.

[Саша Белый]

Цитата

General Zaluzhny outlined the final plan at a meeting of the Stavka, a governmental body overseeing military matters. General Tarnavskyi would have 12 brigades and the bulk of ammunition for the main assault, on Melitopol. The marine commandant, Lt. Gen. Yurii Sodol, would feint toward Mariupol, the ruined port city taken by the Russians after a withering siege the year before. General Syrsky would lead the supporting effort in the east around Bakhmut, recently lost after months of trench warfare.

Then General Syrsky spoke. According to Ukrainian officials, the general said he wanted to break from the plan and execute a full-scale attack to drive the Russians from Bakhmut. He would then advance eastward toward the Luhansk region. He would, of course, need additional men and ammunition.

The Americans were not told the meeting’s outcome. But then U.S. intelligence observed Ukrainian troops and ammunition moving in directions inconsistent with the agreed-upon plan.

Soon after, at a hastily arranged meeting on the Polish border, General Zaluzhny admitted to Generals Cavoli and Aguto that the Ukrainians had in fact decided to mount assaults in three directions at once.

“That’s not the plan!” General Cavoli cried.

What had happened, according to Ukrainian officials, was this: After the Stavka meeting, Mr. Zelensky had ordered that the coalition’s ammunition be split evenly between General Syrsky and General Tarnavskyi. General Syrsky would also get five of the newly trained brigades, leaving seven for the Melitopol fight.

Вместо главного удара ( Тарновского) и 2 вспомогательнвый ( Содоль и Сярскмй)- 2 основных и 1 вспомогательный.
Якобы Зеля указал перстом.

[Саша Белый]

Цитата

The leader of the Mariupol assault, General Sodol, was an eager consumer of General Aguto’s advice. That collaboration produced one of the counteroffensive’s biggest successes: After American intelligence identified a weak point in Russian lines, General Sodol’s forces, using Wiesbaden’s points of interest, recaptured the village of Staromaiorske and nearly eight square miles of territory.

Оказывается слабое место (!?) нашла ( идентифицировала, т е может ещё и анптэлитичесеик размышления , а не только перечень окопов ) западная разведка, а не всевидящие дроны.

[Саша Белый]

Цитата

The problem was laid out right there on the battlefield map in General Aguto’s office: General Syrsky’s assault on Bakhmut was starving the Ukrainian army.

General Aguto urged him to send brigades and ammunition south for the Melitopol attack. But General Syrsky wouldn’t budge, according to U.S. and Ukrainian officials. Nor would he budge when Yevgeny Prigozhin, whose Wagner paramilitaries had helped the Russians capture Bakhmut, rebelled against Mr. Putin’s military leadership and sent forces racing toward Moscow.

Так то удар у Базмута тоже был вполне успешный по числу кв.км, не хужее у Содолч и лучше чем у Рпботино, потом была елешщевско- курдюмовская генотьба , хотя идея прижать россиян к каналу что там идёт и отбросить за него в общем здравия в самом по себе рисунке

[frontz]

Цитата (slavikt @ Мар 30 2025, 09:09)

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по велению души
народ гной.....

Ааронч, прокомментируй, не стесняйся )) Как слава в украине?