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Òóò êñòàòè íå âñå ýïèçîäû, â ôåâðàëå 15-ãî è â Äîíåöê Óðàãàíû ïðèëåòàëè, êàê è â îêòÿáðå 14-ãî

Spot report by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM): Shelling in the Kirovskyi district of Donetsk city on 4 February 2015
DONETSK 7 February 2015

At 10:00hrs, the SMM arrived at Kindergarten No. 381 located at Pintera Street 10. The SMM spotted an impact crater in the kindergarten’s playground located 25m north-west of the kindergarten. The SMM noticed that the wall facing north-north-west of the aforementioned kindergarten and a nine-storey apartment building facade facing south – located 40m north from the kindergarten - were damaged by shrapnel impacts consistent with a Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) strike. Based on an analysis of the crater impact, the fuse diameter and the observed damage, the SMM concluded that the shelling had come from a south-south-westerly direction and was fired by a BM-27 Uragan MLRS.

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Öèòàòà (Mic @ Ñåãîäíÿ, 17:28)
À òåïåðü äëÿ ïàìÿòè, êàðòèíêà îò HRW ñ äàòàìè. Òàì íåïëîõî âèäíî êòî ïåðâûì íà÷àë ïî ãîðîäàì êàññåòíûìè áîåïðèïàñàìè (Óðàãàí, Ñìåð÷) ñìñèòü

Òû ÷îò ïîïóòàë. Ïî÷åìó íà Ñòàõàíîâ íàñûïàëè -âïîðîñ çàäàé 6-ìó ìîñòîòðåëêîâìó ïîëêó èìåíè Äðåìîâà, êîòîðûé ãåîðè÷åñêè âîåâàë òàì
äàæå ñåé÷àñ ïîïðîáóé åãî ïîçèöèè â ïîëå íàéòè ó ãîðîäà, ìîæåò áûòü íàéäåøü. À åñëè íå íàéäåøü - íó çàäàé âîïðîñû ïî÷åìó ïî ãîðîäó ïîïàäàëè ÐÑ-àìè, ñ ðàññåíèÿì íåñîêëüêî ñîò ìåòðîâ ìèíèìóì, óæ íå ïîòîìó ëè -÷òî îíè â çàñòðîéêå ïîçèöèè äåëàëè è ñ íèõ âîåâàëè?

Íî âîîîáùå Ñìåð÷è è Óðàãàíû íå â 2015 ãîäó íà÷àëèñü.
À â 2014.

Îòêðîé ãóãëýðñ, ïîçèöèè ñåòêòîðà Ä âäîëü èçâèðíñêîãî êîòëà , ñëîè çà ëåòî-îñåíü 2014 , òàì âîçëå íåêîòîðûõ îïîðíèêîâ - íàòóðàëüíûé ëóííûé ëàíäøàôò ïðîñòî, íåñêîëüêî ñîò ìåòðîâ ñïëîøíÿêîì âîðîíêè, ñ ðàõñîäîì äåñÿòêè ðàñ÷.âàãîíâî áê-áê.
È àðòåëü, è ÐÑ-û.

 6 êì îò ãîñãðàíèöû ïðèëåòàþò ïî ïîçèöèè ÂÑÓ, ïîìèìî àðòåëè, åùå òÿæåëûå êàññåòíûå ÐÑû, äåñÿòêàìè, èç îðóæèÿ ñ ìèíèìàëüíîé äàëüíîñòüþ 8 êì (Óðàãàí) è 20 êì (Ñìåð÷è) . Íó êòî æå ýòî ìîã ñðåëÿòü? äàéòå-êà ïîäóìàòü. Íàâåðíîå US Army èëè Öàõààë? rolleyes.gif

Ñåâåðíåå Ëóãàíñêà â ñåíòÿáðå 2014 - äâà ëàãåðÿ (Äðóæêîâêà è Ïîáåäà) ñíåñëè, íåñêîëüêî ïñîëåäîâàòåëüíûìè íàëåòàìè ïðè÷åì. Îíè íà ôåðìàõ ñòàðûõ çà îêðàèíîé ñòîÿëè. Ïðèåçæàëè ÎÁÑÅøíèêè ìåðÿëè ëèíåéíêîé íà òðóáàõ êàëèáð. Ñîìòðåëè â ñòîðîíó âîñòîêà.îòêóàä áûëè ïðèëåòû - äî ãðàíèöû ÷òî òî â ðàéîíå 40êì áûëî.


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Öèòàòà (Ñàøà Áåëûé @ Îêò 10 2019, 17:32)
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èñõîäÿùèå ÑÌÑ-êè áûëè îò äÿäè Âîâû.

Ãðûçòü òî ìîíèòî òåáå ïðèäåòñÿ. ß âåäü îôèöèàëüíûå ìåæäóíàðîäíûõ íàáëþäàòåëåé ïðåäîñòàâèë.
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Öèòàòà (Mic @ Ñåãîäíÿ, 17:41)
Ãðûçòü òî ìîíèòî òåáå ïðèäåòñÿ. ß âåäü îôèöèàëüíûå ìåæäóíàðîäíûõ íàáëþäàòåëåé ïðåäîñòàâèë.

Åùå ðàç ïâòîðÿþ - íå â 2015 ãîäó íà÷àëè Ñìåð÷è è Óðàãàíû, à â 2014. Òû æå íå áîëüíîé ìèíèãèòîì äåáèë, êàæåòñÿ, è ãóãë ýðñ ñïîñîáåí ñàìîñòÿîåëüíî íàéòè ñëîè ó Êðàñíîäîíà è àòê äàëåå è íà ñîòíè âîðîíîê âîêðóã îïîðíèêà ïîñîìòðåòü?
Çàäàâàé èì , êòî íàêèäàë òûñÿ÷è ñíàðÿäîâ ýòèõ - êàê òàì ìîæíî áûëî.

×òî êàñàåòñÿ Ïèíòåðà-10
Íó íà 3-4 êì îò Êðàìàòîðñêîãî àýïðîïîðòà ïåðåêèíóòü ïî îäíîìó èç ïåðâûõ âîñòàâøèõ ãîðîäîâ Íîâîðîñèè íåñêîëüêî äåñÿòêîâ ÐÑ çàïëîì-òû æå íåñ÷èòàåøü ÷òî êàðàòåëè ýòî ðàøêîâàíñêèå àðòèëåðèñòû? Êîòîðûå ïîêàðàëè ïåðâûé.âîñòàâøèé ñî Ñëàâíñêîì ãîðîä. èççà íåíàâèñòè ê Äîíáàññó?

Ïî÷åìó ïîïàäàäíèå íåñêîëüêî ðàêåò , íà Ïèíòåðà10, â 500 ìåòðîâ îò îêðàèíû ãîðîäà -âûçâàþò âîïðîñû?
Ó âàñ òàì âîéíà èäåò, âîîáùå òî, ñ òûñÿ÷àìè ïîãèáøèõ. Âîéíà íà÷àòàÿ ïðèáåæàâøèìè îòÿðàäìè îñòàâ÷íêèîâ è ñïåöóðû, óñòðîâèøèìè ïîïóòè â âàñ Éîáàííîãî Êîíãî ñ íàïîâàëàìè,ïîäëåòàìè ôóãàñîâ è êîììåíäàòñêèì ÷àñîì. È òîëüêî òâì êóäà îíè äîáåæàëè.
À êîãäà âîéíà, ñ ïðèìåíåíåèì ÷óãíèÿ, òî áûâàåò èìåííî âîò òàê -è íà 4 êì ìîãóò ñäåëàòü ïåðåëåò ðàøïèëè ðåàêòèâùèêè, è ïî Ìàðèêó êèíóòü äâà çàëïà ,â ìãîãýàòæêè. È íà Ïèíòåðà 10 ñ þãà ïðèëåëåòü,íà 500ìåòðîâ âãóáëü ãîðîäà, è íà þã îò ÆÄ âîçêàëà ïî öåíòðó è òàê äàëåå.
Ïðè÷åì ïðèìåð Ãðîçíîãî èëè Äæîáàðà ïîêàçûâàåò, ÷òî äàæå ïðîñòî âîéíà (íå ïîêàðàòüïîêàðàòü ) â ïîëíóþ ñèëó áåç æàëîñòè - äàñò òàêèå ïðèìåðû, ÷òî îò÷åòû ÎÁÑÅ ïî îáñìîòðó øàðïíåëè â Äíåöêå èëè åäèíè÷íûå ñëó÷àè òèïà ïðèëåòîâ â Êðàìàõó -ïîìåðêíóò ïðîñòî.
Ïðèâîäè îò÷åòû íàáëþäàòåëåé è äàëüøå, è ãðûçè ìîíèòîð.


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Öèòàòà (Ñàøà Áåëûé @ Îêò 10 2019, 17:41)
Òû ÷îò ïîïóòàë. Ïî÷åìó íà Ñòàõàíîâ íàñûïàëè -âïîðîñ çàäàé 6-ìó ìîñòîòðåëêîâìó ïîëêó èìåíè Äðåìîâà, êîòîðûé ãåîðè÷åñêè âîåâàë òàì
äàæå ñåé÷àñ ïîïðîáóé åãî ïîçèöèè â ïîëå íàéòè ó ãîðîäà, ìîæåò áûòü íàéäåøü. À åñëè íå íàéäåøü - íó çàäàé âîïðîñû ïî÷åìó ïî ãîðîäó ïîïàäàëè ÐÑ-àìè, ñ ðàññåíèÿì íåñîêëüêî ñîò ìåòðîâ ìèíèìóì, óæ íå ïîòîìó ëè -÷òî îíè â çàñòðîéêå ïîçèöèè äåëàëè è ñ íèõ âîåâàëè?







È â Ëóãàíñêå ó íèõ òîæå ïîçèöèè áûëè?

KYIV 3 February 2015

At approximately 18:15hrs and 22:45hrs on 27 January, the SMM, based in Luhansk city centre (“Lugansk People’s Republic” –“LPR”-controlled), heard intensive incoming shelling and impact explosions about 5km west of its location. On 28 January, upon receipt of information about shelling from the Russian Federation Armed Forces staff, assigned to the Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination (JCCC) in Luhansk city, the SMM departed to the south-western suburbs of the city at 10:30hrs.

Upon their arrival at 10:40hrs on 28 January the SMM observed that a large residential area in the Artemivskyi district of Luhansk city, 6.6km south-west of the SMM’s location, a rectangular area measuring approximately 1.5km by 1.3km, had been impacted by rockets. The centre of the affected area around Izvestkova Street (7.5km south-west of Luhansk city centre) was most impacted.

The SMM observed the affected area along Izvestkovaya Street, Korolenko Street, Dekabristiv Street, as well as at Michurina Street and Sumska Street - a residential area consisting of small, detached houses. The SMM spoke to the owners of the properties and other local residents who said that they had been shelled twice on 27 January, first at about 18:10hrs and at about 22:45hrs.

The SMM saw considerable damage caused by the impacts of rocket shelling, such as broken windows, fences, gates and walls. The SMM assessed that some of the damage to the buildings, e.g. a series of parallel rows of strike marks on a gate and wall, were consistent with damage typically caused by shrapnel elements from cluster munition. According to the SMM’s assessment, a hole in a roof of a house was caused by the impact of what appears to be a bomblet, with small calibre.

The SMM discovered parts of rockets, including engines, fins and cargo compartments, in the front and backyards of several houses; the cargo compartment in particular is typical of a rocket carrying cluster munitions. Some parts sighted by the SMM at the impact site (1.5 cm white metal fragments, 6 by 3 cm black metal fragments of bomblets cases) are typical for cluster munition. The SMM identified them as parts consistent with 9M55K model “Smerch” rockets (calibre 300mm). The SMM observed a crater (diameter approximately 4m, depth approximately 3m) at the backyard of the house located at Dekabristiv Street 106 which had been caused by the explosion of a “Smerch” rocket, according to the SMM’s assessment.

The SMM measured by compass the angle between north and the axis of cargo remains. The SMM measured the incoming azimuth for the three cargo remains of the “Smerch” rockets, indicating a general incoming north-north-west direction.
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Öèòàòà (Ñàøà Áåëûé @ Îêò 10 2019, 17:52)

×òî êàñàåòñÿ Ïèíòåðà-10 - Íó íà 3-4 êì îò Êðàìàòîðñêîãî àýïðîïîðòà ïåðêèíóòü

Âîò êñòàòè, ïîñëå ïðèëåòîâ ïî øòàáó ÀÒÎ â Êðàìàòîðñêå, èñïîëüçîâàíèå ÂÑÓ Ñìåð÷åé è Óðàãàíîâ êàê òî ðåçêî çàãëîõëî.

Ñ ÷åãî áû ýòî, êàê äóìàåøü?
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Öèòàòà (Ñàøà Áåëûé @ Îêò 10 2019, 17:32)
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èñõîäÿùèå ÑÌÑ-êè áûëè îò äÿäè Âîâû. Îí è îòðÿäû íà÷àë íàïðàëâÿòü. È ÑÌ_êè ïåðâûå åãî Ãðàäû íà÷àëè äåëàòü (òàê ÷òîâ îïðäàâàíèå
ïîòîìó êàê ôàêòóðû íèêàêîé íå óäàëîñü íàéòè, õîòÿ Ñòåøèí è Êîö ñòàðàëèñü
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íó äà, Æèðîõîâ çíà÷èò íà Êîöà ñî Ñòåøèíûì ïàøåò, êàê è óêðîïðîïàãàíäîíñêèé ñàéò "ïåòð è ìàçåïà"

×òî òû òàì íàñ÷åò ìåíèíãèòà òî âåùàë?
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Öèòàòà (Pampa @ Îêò 10 2019, 20:11)
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Ñìåðòü â Ðîññèè. ñ á/ä íå ñâÿçàííàÿ.
à ïîêà ñ÷åò ÂÑÓ -ËÄÍÐ
6-1-2 ïðîòèâ 8-0-1


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"À áàíäåðîâöû çëÿòñÿ è çëîáíî äðî÷àò"
Ìèõàëû÷ êàê îáû÷íî íàáðàñûâàåò, ÿ êàê îáû÷íî âåäóñü. Ïîòîì îòêðûâàþ ÷òî íèáóäü ïî òèïó ñîâåòñêîé âñåìèðíîé èñòîðèè â 24 òîìàõ èëè ñîâåòñêîé èñòîðè÷åñêîé ýíöèêëîïåäèè â 16 è óñïîêàèâàþñü (Ñ) fahed
Ìåíÿ âñåãäà âåñåëèò ýòà ÷åðòà â íàøèõ ýìèãðàíòàõ. Îíè âñ¸ çíàþò ëó÷øå âñåõ. Îñîáåííî, êàê ïðàâèëüíî ñòðàíîé óïðàâëÿòü. È âñåõ ïûòàþòñÿ ó÷èòü. Íó åçæàéòå äîìîé è ïîñòðîéòå òàê, êàê âàì íàäî. (Ñ) Juan Carlos
Ïàðàíîéÿ â íàøèõ ðÿäàõ íå ïðèâåòñòâóåòñÿ, íî íèêîãäà íåëüçÿ çàáûâàòü î òîì, ÷òî êðóãîì îäíè âðàãè!
Íå çàáóäåì Áàðìàëåÿ è Àòàëåêñà! Ñìåðòü ôàøèñòàì!
Òû íå ïóòàé ðîññèÿí, ó 85% êîòîðûõ ñìûñë æèçíè â îñíîâíîì ãðàáü, âîðóé, åáè ãóñåé è ãäå áû áîÿðû íàêàòèòü, è èçðàèëüòÿí. (Ñ) 12th
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Îòïðàâëåíî: Îêò 10 2019, 18:07
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Ïîãîäè , Ìèê, ìû æå ïðî Ïèíòåðà-10 íå çàêîí÷èëè âåäü
Ãëÿäè ýòî æå èçâåñòíîå ìåñòî
ïðàâäà íå êîíêåðòíî ýòî ÷èñëî, ÷òî ÎÁÑÅ ñîìàòðèâàëà -âñå æå.íàñêîëüêî ÿ ñëûøàë, âîò òàê âîò çàïðîñòî ñíèìàòü,òåì áîëååáîåâóþ ðàáîòó ó âàñ ÷è÷åâàòî

Íî òå íå ìåíåå
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGfCTK6_qQ

à âíèçó â êàìåíòàõ, ïðèÿâçî÷êà ïîä ôîòî - ðàçâèëêà êàê ðàç íà îêðàèíå ãîðîäà , 500 ìåòðîâ þæíåå Ïèíòåðà10.
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èíòåðåñíî â ìîçãó íîâîðîñöà âñïûõóíëî êàêêàÿ òî ëàìïî÷êà - âîçìîæíîñòè ïðè÷èííî-ñëåäñòâåííûõ ñâÿçåé , èëè íåò?
Òàê ÷òî ïåðåäàâàé ïðèâåò íîâðîññêèì àðòèëåðèñòàì,ëþáÿùèì ïîñòðåëÿòü ñ ïëîùàäêè ïîä äîìàìè ðÿäîì.
Öèòàòà
Âîò êñòàòè, ïîñëå ïðèëåòîâ ïî øòàáó ÀÒÎ â Êðàìàòîðñêå, èñïîëüçîâàíèå ÂÑÓ Ñìåð÷åé è Óðàãàíîâ êàê òî ðåçêî çàãëîõëî.

Èçâèíè çà íåñêðîìíûé âîïðîñ
À òû òî÷íî íå äåáèë? Òû æå ñàì ïðèâîäèë ðèñóíîê - Êðàìàõà 7 ôåâðàëÿ, Ëóãàíñê 12. ×òî ðàíüøå áûëî à ÷òî ïîçæå - 7 ôåðâàëÿ ïî Êðàìàõå è "êàêî òî ðåçêî çàãëîõëî" èëè ïî Ëóãàíñêó 12-ãî?

Ïîñëå ýòîãî åùå è Ìàðüèíêà áûëà â ìàå 2015, òàì ñëåâà (îò âàñ ñïðàâà) â ïîëå íàêðûëè Ñìåð÷àìè îäíó èç öåïåé íàñòóïëåíèÿ.
Òàê ÷òî.ïîíèìàþ êîíå÷íî, âåðà â âîëøåáñòâî äÿäè Âîû òåáÿ ïîääåðèæâàåòâ ÉÎáàííîì Êîíãî - íî íå çàõãëîõî.


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ìèõàëû÷è ðåøèë âëåçòüâ ñïîð êòîïåðâûé ïðèìåíèë Ãðàäû è ïðèâåë ññûëêó çà 2015 ãîä ,ñ ôîêòàìè çà 2015 ãîä è çà áîè â Èëîâàéñêå.
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Öèòàòà (Mic @ Ñåãîäíÿ, 17:59)
íó äà, Æèðîõîâ çíà÷èò íà Êîöà ñî Ñòåøèíûì ïàøåò, êàê è óêðîïðîïàãàíäîíñêèé ñàéò "ïåòð è ìàçåïà"
À ÷òî êðîìå êàê "íà íèõ ïàøåò" - äðóãèõ âàðèàíòîâ íå ðàññìàòðèâàåòñÿ? îñîáåííî ïèñàòåëþ êîòîðûé â 00çå â ñâîåé êíèæêå çàïðîñòî ïåðåïèñàë àðñêàçû ÂÑ ÐÔ ÷òî äåñêàòü â ×å÷íå ó ÷åõîâ Ñòèíãåðû áûëè?

Îøèáñÿ? Íå ïðîâåðèë äàííûå?

Èëè òû ñ÷èàòåøü Ñòåøèí è Êîö, ïðîïàãàíäåðû àíòè-óêðàèíñêèå, êîòîðûå ñòðåëêîâà çíàëè ñ 2007 èëè 2009 ãîäà ëè÷íî (îäèí èç íèõ â òâèòîðå ïîñòèë ôîòêó ñ êàêèõ òî ïîèñêâûõ îòðÿäîâ èëè ñüåçäîâ) èç ñòåñíèòåëüíîñòè è ñêðîìíîñòè , íå ïîêàçàëè çâåðñêèå ãðàäû, ïåðâîå ïðèìåíåíèå âîîáùå íè çà ÷òî? Òèïà ðûñêàëè èñêàëè çâåðñòâà êàðàòåëåé-êàðàòåëåé, êàæäîå ðåàëüíîå ðàçðóøåíèå è ãèáåëü îáùåëêèâàëè ñ êàæäîé ñòîðîíû, à âîò ñëåäû îò Ãðàäîâ ( òðóáû) - èìåííî èç ñêðîìíîñòè íå ïîêàçàëè ???


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Ñàøà Áåëûé òû ñàì ñåáå ïèøåøü? Íåâîçìîæíî ïðî÷èòàòü è îñìûñëèòü. Ìîæíî êàê-òî áåç îøèáîê ïèñàòü è êàê-òî ñòðóêòóðèðîâàíåé ÷òî ëè?


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Èñëàì ýòî ïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ èäåîëîãèÿ, êîòîðàÿ ïðÿ÷åòñÿ çà ðåëèãèåé © Ì.Ôëèíí

Õóàí, òû ìðàçîòà êîíå÷íî (PR-ùèê ãðåáàííûé) Ïðè âåäåíèè ïîëåâîãî äîïðîñà âàæíî ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêîå äîìèíèðîâàíèå, à íå ýòî âàøå ïðîñòðåëèâàíèå íîã âîåííîïëåííûõ. Áóäü ëàñêà, íå ïåðåäåðãèâàé. Òî ÷òî íà âèäåî ýòî ïðîñòî ñàäèçì, ñëåäñòâèå ñâîáîäû íðàâà. Íà âîéíå î÷åíü âàæíî ñîõðàíèòü ñåáÿ, íå óáèðàéòå â äóøå òåõ ãðàíèö, ÷òî óñòàíîâèëè ðîäèòåëè, õîðîøèå êíèãè è ò.ä., ÷òî ìû â æèçíè íàçûâàåì ìîðàëüþ.
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Ïî Ëóãàíñêó
âî-1, Èçâåòñêàÿ (âàïíÿíàÿ) íàõèîäÿò â 400-700êì îò îêðàèíû ãîðîäà (îíà òàì èçâèëèñòàÿ) - ãäå êàðüåðû, ëåñîïèòîìíèê è ïðî÷èå ïîëÿ, â ò.÷. è èñïîëüçóåìûå äëÿ íàñûïàíèÿ
âî-2,
ïîìèìî òîãî ÷òî ïîïàäàíèé áûëà â äâà ïðèåìà, âîò òàêèå âîò èññëåäîâàíèÿ:

https://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/6676

Îäèí - ýòî Óðàãàí ,ëèíåéêîé ïîìåðÿëè êàëèáð, ñ ñåâåðî-âîñòîêà,
à âîò ÷òî òî íåêîå ïîõîæåå íà íåãî æå, èëè Ñìåð÷, óïàëî íà ñêàòû êðûøè ïî íàïðàâëåíèþ ñ þãà-âîñòîêà- ñ ó÷åòîì åäèíè÷íîñòè, ïîõîæå íà ñõîä ðàêåòû (áðàê íàïðèìåð)
ÂÑÓ è èõòàìåíòû ëîâèëè äðóã äðóãà "ðåàêòîðàìè" íà ïîçèöèÿõ.  ðåãèîíå ,ñ ñàìîé âûñîêîé ïëîòíîñòüþ íàñåëåíèÿ Âîñòî÷íîé Åâðîïû.

Ñïóñòÿ 4 ãîäà, îãðî÷åííûé ðàçâèòèåì ñîáûòèé Ìèê ïèøåò "-êàê æå òàê!Ïîÿñíè?"
À âîò òàê, Ìèê. âîò òàê.

Êîãäà âîéíà ÷óãóíèÿ â òàêîé ïëîòíîñòè íàñåëåíèÿ -ïàäàåò èíà ìåñòíûõ, è íà ìèðíûõ, è íà ñîòíè ìåðîâ è íà êëèîìåòðû ìîãóò áûòü ïðîìàõè
äàæå ó òåõ êòî è íå ìîæåò áûòü,àïðèîðè , â òâîåì ïîíèìàíèè êàðàòåëåì -ñì Êðàìàõà èëè Ìàðèê.


áàóðèí, ìíå æå åùå è ðàáîòêó äåëàòü íàäî è êîãäà ñ òëô ïèøó -äîëáàííûé Ò9 ïåðåïðàâëÿåò ñëîâà. Ñîðÿí.


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Âäîãîíêó
È åùå âîò ýòîò òîâàðèù ,ñïðàâà, íà æä ñòàíöèè Ëóãàíñêà ïîãèá îò àðòáîñòðåëà â òîò æå äåíü.
"ÐÀÂ ñêëàäîâ íà ñòàíöèè ëóãàíñê"
https://pp.vk.me/c629414/v629414321/4daf9/2yy_CfGvEyk.jpg
äðóãîé,ñëåâà, âèäèìî, îò ðàí ïîìåð (â èçâñòíîì ôàéëèå ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå àêò óêàçàíî).

ÆÄ Ëóãàíñê-Ëèñêè ýòî ãäå òî ìåòðîâ 800-1000 ñåâåðíåå óë Èçâåòñêîâîé, öåíòðà ïîïàäàíèé 27 ÿíâàðÿ 2015.

Äàëüøå Ìèê, àíàëîãè÷íûå ïîèñêè( ïîçèöèè ñäåëàííûõ ïóñêîâûõ â ñîòíå ìåòðîâ îò ïîïàäàíèé , ñêëàäû ÐÀ íà ÆÄ ñòàöíèè ê èëîìåòðå îò öåíòðà ïðèõîäà ðåàêòîðîâ è ò.ï) -èùè ïîæàëóéñòà ñàì. ß ãäå òî ñ ïîëäþæèíû ñëó÷àåâ, çà îáå ñòîðîíû, óïîìíÿóë è ðàçîáðàë.
Íà 6-ì ãîäó ïîÿñíÿòü â ñòèëå "à âîò åùå --ñëó÷àé,÷åðò îòñþäà ïóñêè áûëè, à âîò åùå, ÷åðò íåäàëåêî ñêëàäû áûëè, â îò åùå -ïàïà ãäå ìîðå" - íåìíîãî óòîìëÿåò.


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Öèòàòà (Саша Белый @ Îêò 10 2019, 18:35)
По Луган�ку
во-1, Извет�ка� (вапн�на�) нахиод�т в 400-700км от окраины города (она там извили�та�) - где карьеры, ле�опитомник и прочие пол�, в т.ч. и и�пользуемые дл� на�ыпани�
во-2,
помимо того что попаданий была в два приема, вот такие вот и��ледовани�:

https://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/6676

Один - Ñ�то Ураган ,линейкой померÑ�ли калибр,  Ñ� Ñ�еверо-воÑ�тока,
а вот что то некое похожее на него же, или Смерч, упало на �каты крыши по направлению � юга-во�тока- � учетом единично�ти, похоже на �ход ракеты (брак например)

Òû ñàì òî ñâîþ ññûëêó ïðî÷èòàë? Âîò òóò àâòîðû ñàéòà êîììåíòèðóþò îïóñ ïðîïàãàíäîíîâ èç Lugansk News Today

Öèòàòà
Lugansk News Today provides pictures of damage to a train station, which only occurred on the east side, which they say suggests that the rockets came from the southeast. However, the visible damage appears to have been caused by shrapnel, which does not rule out the theory that the rockets came from the north-north west.



In another example, Lugansk News Today takes pictures of what they say is an Uragan rocket (with a range of 35 kilometers). However, as we've analyzed below, that rocket does indeed appear to have come from the north-north east:

As we see by comparing Google maps to LiveUAMap.com, which is mapping this conflict, that would mean that the rocket came from Ukrainian-controlled territory:


However, Lugansk News Today did post several very interesting pictures, with substantial analysis, which suggests that the building on Izvestkovaya Street may have been hit by weapons that did come from the southeast:


The OSCE SMM mentions this house in its report and says that the damage that hit the roof was caused by falling submunitions.

We cannot definitively say from which direction the munition that did the visible damage to this roof originated.


Êîðî÷å, êàê ïèñàëà îäíà ëèáåðàëüíàÿ æóðíàëèçäêà ïðî ãèáåëü ãåíåðàëà ×åðíÿõîâñêîãî: "ñîâåòñêàÿ ïðîïàãàíäà óâåðÿåò, ÷òî ãåíåðàëà óáèëè ôàøèñòû, íî îñêîëîê òî ïðèëåòåë â ñïèíó ãåíåðàëà, çíà÷èò ñòðåëÿëè ñ òûëà" Çàøêâàð ïðèìåðíî òîãî æå óðîâíÿ cool.gif
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Ïî ññûëêå ÷òî ÿ äàë , âíèçó òà è óêàçàíî, òèïà ÷òî ïî âåðñèè ÎÁÑÅ ýòî ñàáìóíèøåíñ , íî òèïà íåïîíÿòíî êàê îíè ëåòåëè â òàê îì ñëó÷àå, åñëè òî÷êà ïàäàåò âåðòèêàëüíî è åå ðàñêèäûâàåò â ðàçíûå ñòîðîíû, à ðñû- âûñûïàþò ïî íàïðàâëåíèþ ïîëåòà

Òàê áûâàåò , ÷óãóíèåâûõ áîåïðèïàñîâ è ðñ, è ñõîäû ñ òðàåêòîðèè è ðàáîòà ìåòàêìîãî çàðÿäà íå ïî ÃÎÑÒó - òàê ÷òî îíè âòûêàþòñÿ ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû äîìà è íåóäîáíî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, è ò.ï. âåùè. Òàê ÷òî ïðèõîäèòñÿ àíåêäîòû ñìåøíûå ïðî ×åðíÿõîâñêîãî ðàññêàçûâàòü.

È ãåðîè íîâîðîñèè ãèáíóò íà óçëå ñâÿçè òûëîâîãî ïóíêòà óïðàâëåíèÿ êîðïóñà, â ðàéîíå ñêëàäà áåïðèïàñîâ ñîçäàííîì íà ÆÄ ñòàíöèè â ÷åðòå ãîðîäà - ïîêà óðà-ïðîïàãàíäà ïûòàåòñÿ êðêèîì êðè÷àòü ÷òî èõòàìíåò è âîîáùå íè çà ÷òî âîîáùå ïðîñòî ïî ìèðíîìó ïöñòîìó ãîðîäó ïðîñòî èç-çà íåíàâèñòè îáñòðåëÿëè.


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Öèòàòà (Ñàøà Áåëûé @ Îêò 10 2019, 18:07)

Èçâèíè çà íåñêðîìíûé âîïðîñ
À òû òî÷íî íå äåáèë? Òû æå ñàì ïðèâîäèë ðèñóíîê - Êðàìàõà 7 ôåâðàëÿ, Ëóãàíñê 12. ×òî ðàíüøå áûëî à ÷òî ïîçæå - 7 ôåðâàëÿ ïî Êðàìàõå è "êàêî òî ðåçêî çàãëîõëî" èëè ïî Ëóãàíñêó 12-ãî?

Ïîñëå ýòîãî åùå è Ìàðüèíêà áûëà â ìàå 2015, òàì ñëåâà (îò âàñ ñïðàâà) â ïîëå íàêðûëè Ñìåð÷àìè îäíó èç öåïåé íàñòóïëåíèÿ.
Òàê ÷òî.ïîíèìàþ êîíå÷íî, âåðà â âîëøåáñòâî äÿäè Âîû òåáÿ ïîääåðèæâàåòâ ÉÎáàííîì Êîíãî - íî íå çàõãëîõî.


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ìèõàëû÷è ðåøèë âëåçòüâ ñïîð êòîïåðâûé ïðèìåíèë Ãðàäû è ïðèâåë ññûëêó çà 2015 ãîä ,ñ ôîêòàìè çà 2015 ãîä è çà áîè â Èëîâàéñêå.
ñóöóêîäîñëåç

È ãäå æ òû óâèäåë îáñòðåë Êðàìàòîðñêà 7 ôåâðàëÿ, îäàðåííûé òû íàø?

À +/- ïàðà äíåé (îáñòðåëû Ëóãàíñêà è îòâåòêà ïî Àðòåìîâñêó) - ýòî ïðîñòî àäìèíèñòðàòèâíàÿ èíåðöèÿ â ïðèíÿòèè ðåøåíèé, ÈÌÕÎ


>Ïîñëå ýòîãî åùå è Ìàðüèíêà áûëà â ìàå 2015, òàì ñëåâà (îò âàñ ñïðàâà) â ïîëå íàêðûëè Ñìåð÷àìè îäíó èç öåïåé íàñòóïëåíèÿ.

êëþ÷åâîå ñëîâî -" â ïîëå", à íå â íàñåëåííîì ïóíêòå.
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À Êîãäà ? 10-ãî? Ìäà, ïîçîð ìíå íå ïîìíþ íà ïàìÿòü âñå äàòû âñåõ ðýïåðåñòðåëîê 4 ëåòíåé äàâíîñòè

Ýòî âñå ìåíÿåò â êîðíå - â íîâîðîññêîì êàëåíäàðå ñíà÷àëî áûëî 12, ëóãàíñê, ïîòîì 10 Êðàìàòîðñê è "ðåçêî âñå çàãëîõëî." È íå îñïîðèøü..íà èëè ïðèõîäèòñÿ âûäóìûâàòü àäìèíèñòðàòèâíûå èíåðöèè. Ðàíüøå êàðàëè - òî ïóíêò ïóñêà ãðàäîâ þæíåå Ïèíòåðà 10 , òî ñêëàäû Ðàâ è òïó íà ëóãàíñêîèñêè, ..à òóò èñïóãàëèñü ... Âñåãî ëèøü â ïîëå íîâîðîññîâ â ïèçäó êðîâàâóþ ïåðåìåñèøè ( Ìåðö ðàññêàçûâàë íà òðàëèêàõ â êðîâèùå ñàìè åõàëè â áðëüíè÷êó, ïîêîöàííûå ðñ-àìè. Ìíå, ÿ òîãäà êåíò ïî ñàäó áûë åù¸ ïðèìåðíî òàê æå îïèñûâàëè) - áîÿööî äÿäþ Âîâó òî! Î ãî îãî laugh.gif
Òàì ïðàâäà åù¸ â èëîâàéñêå íà ñòàíöèè áûëî êàêîå òî ñàìîâîçãîðàíèå è èõòàìíåò âûíîñèëè âïåð¸ä íîãàìè , íî òî òàêý.


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Öèòàòà (Ñàøà Áåëûé @ Îêò 10 2019, 20:38)
Ïî ññûëêå ÷òî ÿ äàë , âíèçó òà è óêàçàíî, òèïà ÷òî ïî âåðñèè ÎÁÑÅ ýòî ñàáìóíèøåíñ , íî òèïà íåïîíÿòíî êàê îíè ëåòåëè â òàê îì ñëó÷àå, åñëè òî÷êà ïàäàåò âåðòèêàëüíî è åå ðàñêèäûâàåò â ðàçíûå ñòîðîíû, à ðñû- âûñûïàþò ïî íàïðàâëåíèþ ïîëåòà


È ÷òî? Ñêàò íàêëîííûé, òî åñòü èìååò ãîðèçîíòàëüíóþ ïðîåêöèþ - ñîîòâåòñòâåííî îòêóäà óãîäíî ìîãëî ïðèëåòåòü
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Öèòàòà (Ñàøà Áåëûé @ Îêò 10 2019, 20:48)
À Êîãäà ? 10-ãî? Ìäà, ïîçîð ìíå íå ïîìíþ íà ïàìÿòü âñå äàòû âñåõ ðýïåðåñòðåëîê 4 ëåòíåé äàâíîñòè



Êàðòèíêó, íà êîòîðóþ òû ññûëàëñÿ â ïðåäûäóùåì ïîñòå, òû òîæå 4 ãîäà íàçàä óâèäåë. Ïîíèìàþ, äà.

>Òàì ïðàâäà åù¸ â èëîâàéñêå íà ñòàíöèè áûëî êàêîå òî ñàìîâîçãîðàíèå è èõòàìíåò âûíîñèëè âïåð¸ä íîãàìè , íî òî òàêý.

Ñàì íàáëþäàë, èëè õîòÿ áû âèäåî âèäåë?
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