Нагорный Карабах, Противостояние Армении и Азербайджана

[Мамаша Кураж]

Цитата (Potti @ Дек 15 2020, 15:45)

Тут Министр Обороны Турции, господин Акар заявил следующее:
"Если будет нарушено перемирие - мы войдем в Карабах. Мы уже являемся гарантами безопасности освобожденных территорий".

Интересно как Турция войдет в Карабах?
Есть путь через Армению а через(над) Грузией втягивает ее в конфликт.
На это надо разрешение США. Впрочем это уже закулиса.
В интересах Рф заморозка конфликта и тогда в будущем что полезное для России может и будет.
А в интересах Азербаджана и лично Алиева не разорваться между двумя покровителями и гарантами самозваными(про гаранта
РФ первая заявила)
И тут все от Алиева зависит.
Его армия посильнее Грузии раза в три и числом поболее войск РФ на Северном Кавказе.
Так что придется россиюшке напрячь силушку.....
А тут и турки подойдут.....
Но я вижу что Путин знает где у него ключик к этой задачке.
Потти выбрал себе имя историографа кавказкой войны.
И если эта война будет то до начала весны ибо стратегически тюркам выгоднее зимой начинать ибо перевалы для руси труднодоступны.
И конечно никакой демобилизации в Азербаджане.
Если она пойдет значить поход лелеемый Эргоданом не состоится.

[Багник]

Цитата (Мамаша Кураж @ Сегодня, 21:30)

Интересно как Турция войдет в Карабах?

Таким же путем как и F-16, беспилотники с системами и расчетами управления, ССО вошли в Азербайджан.
Мамаша, выгляните в окно, сейчас не 1812, а конец 2020

[fahed]

Тем временем Орикс продолжает считать новые потери армян.

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The count of new Armenian losses goes on (and on and on)

2x BMP-1
1x BTS-4
3x 122mm D-30 howitzer
3x 152mm D-20 howitzer
2x 152mm 2A36
9x 60mm M57 mortar
6x 82mm M69 mortar
2x 120mm M74 mortar
3x Hell cannon
3x launcher for 9M133
13x Vehicle


Итого

Armenia / Republic of Artsakh

Tanks (221, of which destroyed: 135, damaged: 5, captured: 81)
2 T-72 'Ural': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by Spike-ER)
67 T-72A: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed by loitering munition) (27, destroyed by loitering munition) (28, destroyed by loitering munition) (29, destroyed by loitering munition) (30, destroyed by loitering munition) (31, destroyed by Spike-ER) (32, destroyed by Spike-ER) (33, destroyed by Spike-ER) (34, destroyed by Spike-ER) (35, damaged) (36, damaged) (37, damaged) (38, damaged and captured) (39, damaged and captured) (40, damaged and captured) (41, damaged and captured) (42, captured) (43, captured) (44, captured) (45, captured) (46, captured) (47, captured) (48, captured) (49, captured) (50, captured) (51, captured) (52, captured) (53, captured) (54, 55 and 56, captured) (57 and 58, captured) (59 and 60, captured) (61, captured) (62, captured) (63, captured) (64, captured) (65, captured) (66, captured) (67, captured)
2 T-72AK: (1, damaged and captured) (2, captured)
20 T-72AV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, damaged and captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10 and 11, captured) (12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, recaptured)
44 T-72B: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed by loitering munition) (14, destroyed by loitering munition) (15, destroyed by loitering munition) (16, destroyed by loitering munition) (17, destroyed by Spike-ER) (18, damaged and captured) (19, damaged and captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27 and 28, captured) (29 and 30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured) (38, captured) (39, captured) (40, captured) (41, captured) (42, captured) (43, captured) (44, captured)
86 Unknown T-72: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed) (51, destroyed) (52, destroyed) (53, destroyed) (54, destroyed) (55, destroyed) (56, destroyed) (57, destroyed) (58, destroyed) (59, destroyed) (60, destroyed) (61, destroyed) (62, destroyed) (63, destroyed) (64, destroyed) (65, destroyed) (66, destroyed) (67, destroyed) (68, destroyed) (69, destroyed) (70, destroyed) (71, destroyed) (72, destroyed) (73, destroyed) (74, destroyed by loitering munition) (75, destroyed by loitering munition) (76, destroyed by loitering munition) (77, destroyed by loitering munition) (78, destroyed by Spike-ER) (79, destroyed by Spike-ER) (80, damaged) (81, damaged) (82 captured) (83, captured) (84, captured) (85, captured) (86, captured)


Armoured fighting vehicles (58, of which destroyed: 25, captured: 33)
23 MT-LB with Zastava M55 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed by Spike-ER) (10, destroyed by Spike-ER) (11, captured) (12, captured) (13, 14 and 15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, 22 and 23 captured)
4 MT-LB with ZU-23 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, captured)
6 MT-LB with AZP S-60 AA gun: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, 4 and 5 captured) (6, captured)
7 MT-LB: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed by Spike-ER) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured)
2 MT-LBu: (1, destroyed) (2, captured)
4 BRM-1K: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by Spike-ER) (3, captured) (4, captured)
4 BRDM-2: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured)
1 BTR-70: (1, destroyed)
5 BTS-4 ARV: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
2 Unknown AFV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)

Infantry fighting vehicles (70, of which destroyed: 31, captured: 39)
33 BMP-1: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed by Spike-ER) (12, damaged and captured) (13, damaged and captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, with ZU-23 AA gun, captured)
31 BMP-2: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed after capture by Armenia) (13, destroyed by loitering munition) (14, destroyed by loitering munition) (15, damaged and captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured)
6 Unknown BMP: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed by Spike-ER)

Self-propelled anti-tank missile systems (9, of which destroyed: 1, captured: 8)
4 9P148 Konkurs: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged and captured) (3, captured) (4, captured)
5 9P149 Shturm-S: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4 and 5, captured)

Towed artillery (176, of which destroyed: 119, damaged: 9, captured: 47)
2 85mm D-44 divisional gun: (1, destroyed) (2, damaged)
2 100mm MT-12 'Rapira' anti-tank gun: (1, captured) (2, captured)
6 100mm KS-19 AA gun used as howitzer: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, captured)
1 122 mm M-30 howitzer: (1, damaged)
79 122mm (D-30) howitzer 2A18: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed) (51, destroyed) (52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, and 58, destroyed) (59, destroyed by Spike-ER) (60, destroyed by Spike-ER) (61, damaged and captured) (62, captured) (63, captured) (64, 65 and 66, captured) (67, captured) (68, captured) (69 and 70, captured) (71, captured) (72, captured) (73, captured) (74, captured) (75, captured) (76, captured) (77, 78 and 79, captured)
15 152mm (D-1) gun-howitzer M-1943: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, captured) (11 and 12, captured) (13, captured) (14, captured) (15, captured)
61 152mm (D-20) gun-howitzer M-1955: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed by Spike-ER) (38, damaged) (39, damaged) (40, damaged) (41 and 42, damaged) (43, damaged) (44, damaged) (45, captured) (46, captured) (47, captured) (48, captured) (49 and 50, captured) (51, captured) (52, captured) (53, captured) (54, captured) (55, captured) (56, captured) (57, captured) (58, captured) (59, 60 and 61, captured)
10 152mm 2A36 Giatsint-B field-gun: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, damaged and captured) (10, captured)

Self-propelled artillery (24, of which destroyed: 16, damaged: 1, captured: 7)
20 122mm 2S1 Gvozdika: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, damaged) (14, damaged and captured) (15, captured) (16 and 17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured)
4 152mm 2S3 Akatsiya: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)

Multiple rocket launchers (76, of which destroyed: 72, captured: 3 abandoned: 1)
68 122mm BM-21 'Grad': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed) (51, destroyed) (52, destroyed) (53, destroyed) (54, destroyed) (55, destroyed) (56, destroyed) (57, destroyed) (58, destroyed by loitering munition) (59, destroyed by loitering munition) (60, destroyed by loitering munition) (61, destroyed by loitering munition) (62, destroyed by loitering munition) (63, destroyed by Spike-ER) (64, destroyed by Spike-ER) (65, abandoned) (66, damaged and captured) (67, captured) (68, captured)
2 273mm WM-80: (1 and 2, destroyed)
1 220mm TOS-1: (1, destroyed)
4 300mm BM-30 'Smerch': (1) (2) (3) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 Unknown MRL: (1, destroyed)

Ballistic Missiles (1, of which destroyed: 1)
1 R-17 'Scud-B': (1, destroyed)

Mortars (39, of which destroyed: 4, captured: 35)
13 60mm M57: (1 and 2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13, captured)
13 82mm M69: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13, captured)
3 120mm M74: (1, captured) (2 and 3, captured)
5 120mm M75: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)
3 'Hell cannon': (1, 2 and 3, captured)
2 Unknown mortar: (1, destroyed) (2, captured)

Anti-tank guided missiles (67, of which destroyed: 3, captured 64, of which 13 launcher or optic)
19 9M111 Fagot: (1 and 2, destroyed) (3, 4, 5 and 6, captured) (7, 8, 9 and 10, captured) (11, 12 and 13, captured) (14 and 15, captured) (16, 17, 18 and 19, captured)
24 9M113 Konkurs: (1, destroyed) (2, captured) (3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8, captured) (9, captured) (10 and 11, captured) (12, captured) (13 and 14, captured) (15, 16 and 17, captured) (18, captured) (19, 20, 21, 22, 23 and 24, captured)
6 9M115 Metis: (1 and 2, captured) (3, 4, 5 and 6, captured)
6 9P135M launcher for the 9M111 Fagot and 9M113 Konkurs: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured)
6 9M133M-2 Kornet-EM: (1, 2 and 3, captured) (4, 5 and 6, captured)
6 9P163 launcher for the 9M133 Kornet: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, 5 and 6, captured)
1 1PN65 'Trakt-1' thermal optic for 9P135M Konkurs ATGM launcher: (1, captured)

Man-Portable Air Defence Systems (2, of which captured: 2)
2 9K338 Igla-S: (1 and 2, captured)

Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (7, of which destroyed: 1, captured: 6)
7 ZSU-23-4 'Shilka': (1, destroyed) (2, damaged and captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured)

Surface-to-air missile systems (28, of which destroyed: 26, captured: 2)
3 9K35 Strela-10: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed)
15 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed by loitering munition) (14, destroyed by loitering munition) (15, captured)
3 2K12 Kub: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, captured)
4 5P85S (launcher for S-300PS): (1 and 2, destroyed) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 5P85D (launcher for S-300PS): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 S-300 component: (1, destroyed)
1 Tor-M2KM: (1, destroyed by loitering munition)

Radars (13, of which destroyed: 12, captured: 1)
2 P-18 'Spoon Rest D': (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)
4 ST86U/36D6 'Tin Shield' (for S-300): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed by loitering munition) (3, destroyed by loitering munition) (4, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 SNR-125 'Low Blow' (for S-125): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
2 5N63S 'Flap Lid' (for S-300): (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 19J6 (for S-300): (1, destroyed)
1 1S32 'Pat Hand' (for 2K11 Krug): (1, destroyed)
2 1S91 SURN (for 2K12 Kub): (1, destroyed) (2, captured)

Jammers and Deception systems (2, of which destroyed: 2)
1 R-330P Piramida-I: (1, destroyed)
1 Repellent-1: (1, destroyed)

Aircraft and Helicopters (2, of which destroyed: 2)
1 Su-25K: (1, crashed)
1 Mi-8: (1, destroyed)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (4, of which destroyed: 4)
1 X-55: (1, destroyed)
1 Quadcopter drone: (1, crashed)
1 BZEZ loitering munition: (1, crashed)
1 Unknown UAV: (1, destroyed)

Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (536, of which destroyed: 259, damaged: 8, captured: 269)
10 GAZ-66: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured)
37 GAZ-3308: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed by Spike-ER) (10, damaged and captured) (11, damaged and captured) (12, damaged and captured) (13, damaged and captured) (14, captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31 and 32, captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured)
1 9T217 transloader (for 9K33 Osa): (1, destroyed)
53 KamAZ: (1, destroyed) (2 and 3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, 6 and 7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed by loitering munition) (26, destroyed by loitering munition) (27, destroyed by Spike-ER) (28, damaged) (29, damaged and captured) (30, damaged and captured) (31, damaged and captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35 and 36, captured) (37, captured) (38, captured) (39, captured) (40, captured) (41, captured) (42, captured) (43, captured) (44, captured) (45, captured) (46, captured) (47, captured) (48, captured) (49, captured) (50, captured) (51, captured) (52, captured) (53, captured)
45 ZiL-131: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed by loitering munition) (7, destroyed by Spike-ER) (8, damaged and captured) (9, 10, 11, 12 and 13, damaged and captured) (14, damaged and captured) (15, captured) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26 and 27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35, 36 and 37, captured) (38, 39, 40 and 41, captured) (42 and 43, captured) (44, captured) (45, captured)
9 Ural-375: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, 4 and 5, destroyed) (6, damaged and captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured)
111 Ural-4320: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16 and 17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27 and 28, destroyed) (29 and 30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43, destroyed) (44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50, destroyed) (51, destroyed) (52, destroyed) (53, destroyed) (54, destroyed) (55, destroyed) (56, destroyed) (57, destroyed) (58, 59, 60 and 61, destroyed) (62, destroyed) (63, destroyed) (64, destroyed by loitering munition) (65, damaged and captured) (66, damaged and captured) (67, damaged and captured) (68, damaged and captured) (69, damaged) (70, captured) (71, captured) (72, captured) (73, captured) (74, captured) (75, captured) (76, captured) (77, captured) (78, captured) (79, captured) (80, captured) (81, captured) (82, captured) (83, captured) (84, captured) (85, captured) (86 and 87, captured) (88, captured) (89, captured) (90, captured) (91, captured) (92, captured) (93, captured) (94, captured) (95, captured) (96, captured) (97, captured) (98, captured) (99, captured) (100, captured) (101, captured) (102, captured) (103, captured) (104, captured) (105, 106, 107 and 108, captured) (109, 110 and 111, captured)
41 Ural-43206: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, damaged and captured) (13, captured) (14, damaged and captured) (15, damaged and captured) (16, damaged and captured) (17 captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, 27, 28, 29 and 30, captured) (31, captured) (32 and 33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured) (38, 39 and 40, captured) (41, captured)
23 UAZ-452: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, damaged and captured) (13, damaged and captured) (14 and 15, damaged) (16, captured) (17, captured) (18, captured) (19, captured) (20, captured) (21, captured) (22, captured) (23, captured)
35 UAZ-469: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, damaged) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, damaged and captured) (19, damaged and captured) (20, damaged and captured) (21, damaged and captured) (22, captured) (23, captured) (24, captured) (25, captured) (26, captured) (27, captured) (28, captured) (29, captured) (30, captured) (31, captured) (32, captured) (33, captured) (34, captured) (35, captured)
1 UAZ Hunter: (1, captured)
4 UAZ Patriot: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, captured) (4, captured)
9 UAZ-23602-130: (1, captured) (2, captured) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured)
11 UAZ-23632: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, captured) (4, captured) (5, captured) (6, captured) (7, captured) (8, captured) (9, captured) (10, captured) (11, captured)
95 (Unknown) truck: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) (13, destroyed) (14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16 and 17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, destroyed) (25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, destroyed) (28, destroyed) (29, destroyed) (30, destroyed) (31, destroyed) (32, destroyed) (33, destroyed) (34, destroyed) (35, destroyed) (36, destroyed) (37, destroyed) (38, destroyed) (39, destroyed) (40, destroyed) (41, destroyed) (42, destroyed) (43 and 44, destroyed) (45, destroyed) (46, destroyed) (47, destroyed) (48, destroyed) (49, destroyed) (50 and 51, destroyed) (52, destroyed) (53, destroyed) (54, destroyed) (55, destroyed) (56 and 57, destroyed) (58, destroyed) (59, destroyed by loitering munition) (60, destroyed by loitering munition) (61, destroyed by loitering munition) (62, destroyed by loitering munition) (63, destroyed by loitering munition) (64, destroyed by loitering munition) (65, destroyed by loitering munition) (66, 67, 68 and 69, damaged) (70, damaged) (71, damaged and captured) (72, damaged and captured) (73, 74 and 75, damaged and captured) (76, captured) (77, captured) (78 and 79, captured) (80, captured) (81, 82, 83 and 84, captured) (85, captured) (86, captured) (87, captured) (88, captured) (89, captured) (90, captured) (91, 92, and 93, captured) (94 and 95, captured)
46 Van or jeep: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, 5 and 6, destroyed) (7 and 8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, 13 and 14, destroyed) (15, destroyed) (16, destroyed) (17, destroyed) (18, destroyed) (19, destroyed) (20, destroyed) (21, destroyed) (22, destroyed) (23, destroyed) (24, and 25, destroyed) (26, destroyed) (27, 28 and 29, destroyed by loitering munition) (30, destroyed by loitering munition) (31, 32 and 33, damaged) (34, damaged and captured) (35, captured) (36, captured) (37, captured) (38, captured) (39, captured) (40, captured) (41, captured) (42, captured) (43, captured) (44, captured) (45, captured) (46, captured)
1 Bus (carrying reinforcements): (1, destroyed by loitering munition)
1 Trailer: (1, destroyed)
1 Tank trailer: (1, destroyed)
1 S-300 trailer: (1, destroyed)
1 PMZ-4 Minelayer Trailer: (1, damaged and captured)


Decoys (2, of which destroyed: 2)
2 Decoy 9K33 Osa: (1, destroyed by loitering munition) (2, destroyed by loitering munition)

Strategic locations hit (22)
Radio mast: (1) (2) (3) (4)
military base: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7, hit by Spike-ER) (8, hit by Spike-ER)
command post: (1) (2) (3) (4)
storage depot: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5, hit by loitering munition)
Stepanakert Airport: (1, hit by loitering munition)

[Gurza]

Цитата (fahed @ Сегодня, 21:57)

Тем временем Орикс продолжает считать новые потери армян.

Как надавали то пизды.

Кстати такой вопрос: смогли бы ВС азеров будь они на месте саудитов перемочь хуситов?

Хуситы даже при тотальном превосходстве противника в воздухе уже который год воюют.

[fahed]

Цитата (Gurza @ Дек 15 2020, 22:53)

Как надавали то пизды.

Кстати такой вопрос: смогли бы ВС азеров будь они на месте саудитов перемочь хуситов?

Хуситы даже при тотальном превосходстве противника в воздухе уже который год воюют.

Уффф, у хуситов есть ачивка "плевать на потери". Немаловажная такая. Плюс у них (на их сторону) перешло много военных профессионалов, те же ракетчики целыми бригадами, спецназ, так что хуситы не просто тапкопехота. Вон даже эрзац ЗРК запилили на базе РВВ.

[Rurouni]

Цитата (fahed @ Дек 15 2020, 18:14)

Я и не только я писал уже - почему ты считаешь, что их все поражали исключительно с Дронов с камерами? Это могли быть и ПТРК, и артиллерия, да хоть ДРГ из гранатомётов обстрелять.

У расчётов ПТРК телефоны дружно сели? Со спайков видосики очень даже выкладывали.

Я думаю, что если ТОРы были поражены, то скорее всего попали под Арту. В любом другом случае мы бы уже получили контент.

[Pampa]

Цитата (Rurouni @ Сегодня, 23:07)

У расчётов ПТРК телефоны дружно сели?

Кек. Это война, а не погонять в шутер на компе. Эксперты на диванах совсем офигели.

[fahed]

Ну как бы если ССО например на все рейды с собой тилипоны бы еще брали.. ))х)х)

[Gurza]

Цитата (fahed @ Дек 15 2020, 23:01)

Уффф, у хуситов есть ачивка "плевать на потери". Немаловажная такая. Плюс у них (на их сторону) перешло много военных профессионалов, те же ракетчики целыми бригадами, спецназ, так что хуситы не просто тапкопехота. Вон даже эрзац ЗРК запилили на базе РВВ.

Вообще мое ИМХО что основная проблема в Йемене — это низкое качество саудовских сухопутов и их союзников.

Если королевские ВВС вполне себе боеспособны (как технически, так и в отношении подготовки/навыков летчиков), то саудовская пехота не может похвастаться как подготовкой, так и морально-боевыми качествами.

Амеры на месте саудитов закончили бы эту войну максимум за несколько месяцев.

[Pampa]

Цитата (Gurza @ Сегодня, 23:24)

Вообще мое ИМХО что основная проблема в Йемене — это низкое качество саудовских сухопутов и их союзников.

Там театр военных действий наверное в десятки раз больше.

[fahed]

Да и хуситы вытягивают в своих районах проживания/лояльных. В остальных они ничего не показывают сверхестественного.

[poxmeliator]

Цитата (Gurza @ Дек 15 2020, 23:24)

Вообще мое ИМХО что основная проблема в Йемене — это низкое качество саудовских сухопутов и их союзников.

Проблема Йемена это, что две разных страны соединенных в одну. Салех мертв а дело его живет.

P.S. О бедном пузане замолвите слово.
Объективности ради не так уж и все плохо у Эль Риада. Красивые набеги северян на саудитов закончились, а какие были видосы. Сейчас идет война на территорий северян. А обстрелы ну это терпимо.

[poxmeliator]

Цитата (fahed @ Дек 15 2020, 23:01)

Уффф, у хуситов есть ачивка "плевать на потери". Немаловажная такая.

Спорно. Просто у них уже скоро как век идет перманентная война. Так же как и в Афганистане. Не чего не умеют кроме как воевать.

[poxmeliator]

Цитата (Rurouni @ Дек 15 2020, 23:07)

В любом другом случае мы бы уже получили контент.

Да, но есть один фактор. Боевые действия закончились можно больше контента и не выдавать. Теперь нужен другой контент, как злобный арменин нарушает соглашение по Карабаху.

[Rurouni]

Цитата (poxmeliator @ Дек 15 2020, 23:46)

Да, но есть один фактор. Боевые действия закончились можно больше контента и не выдавать. Теперь нужен другой контент, как злобный арменин нарушает соглашение по Карабаху.

Вероятная потеря 4х торов произошла давно. Задолго до видосика с поражением ТОРа в гараже. Мы бы получили видосик намного раньше, если бы он существовал.

[Rurouni]

Цитата (Pampa @ Дек 15 2020, 23:14)

Кек. Это война, а не погонять в шутер на компе. Эксперты на диванах совсем офигели.

Ну дык, Сирийский ПТУРинг разбаловал.

[Rurouni]

Цитата (fahed @ Дек 15 2020, 23:22)

Ну как бы если ССО например на все рейды с собой тилипоны бы еще брали..  ))х)х)

Когда я высказывал своё мнение, что в Идлибе количество сбитых БПЛА по лостармору - это оценка снизу, поскольку упавший на территории противника беспилотник трудно запруфать видосиком - тут смеялись и гыгыкали. Рассказывали что у каждого джигита в кармане мобилка, а любая упавшая с неба железка в течение суток оказывается в интернете с разных ракурсов.

А тут аж целых 4 ТОРа заявлено и ни одного кадра видео, ни одной фоточки. Но верим на слово.

Експерти, вы уж придите к единому мнению по поводу оценки потерь. Верим ли мы на слово, или хотим фото-видеопруфов.

[Agapit]

Российские миротворцы урегулировали инцидент в карабахских селах Хцаберд и Хин-Тахер, рассудив его в пользу Баку.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4615765
В Баку убеждены, что армянские войска должны покинуть всю территорию Нагорного Карабаха, а в Ереване — что это касается лишь районов вокруг него.

[fahed]

Цитата (Rurouni @ Дек 16 2020, 00:05)

Когда я высказывал своё мнение, что в Идлибе количество сбитых БПЛА по лостармору - это оценка снизу, поскольку упавший на территории противника беспилотник трудно запруфать видосиком - тут смеялись и гыгыкали. Рассказывали что у каждого джигита в кармане мобилка, а любая упавшая с неба железка в течение суток оказывается в интернете с разных ракурсов.

А тут аж целых 4 ТОРа заявлено и ни одного кадра видео, ни одной фоточки. Но верим на слово.

Експерти, вы уж придите к единому мнению по поводу оценки потерь. Верим ли мы на слово, или хотим фото-видеопруфов.

Только вот запруфанного в Идлибе в 4 или 5 раз меньше, чем заявленного. В Карабахе же картина кардинально иная - заявленное очень близко к запруфанному. И это ещё опуская тот факт, что охуительные истории сирийцев про десятки сбитых ......... (нужное вписать) или их союзников вообще никогда и близко не подтверждались до этого ни разу.
Ну и опять напоминаю - это сообщил человек, который участвовал в обороне Арцаха не рядовым пихотом. И описывал своей проеб, а не перемогу. Надеюсь ты сейчас логически объяснить, зачем ему увеличивать степень своего же обосрамса. При этом то по сути ещё несколько уничтоженных Торов картину в целом то не меняют кардинально, так как выебли армян на уровне всех эшелонированных эшелонов. И кстати никто не утверждает, что Бабаян вот сто процентов не ошибается. В отличие от персонажей, которые считают, что раз на фото, которое позволено было год назад опубликовать было 2 БМ - то в Армению всего два ЗРК поставили. Хоть для тупых в тот же день под фоточками в Фейсбуке Пашинян написал "количество поставленных всего комплексов не могу озвучить, так как это военная тайна", что по меньшей мере допускает уже возможность подумать, что армяне получили не два ЗРК - один стеречь АЭС, а второй - Ереван.
Так что ты опять упустил немаловажный момент. Снова ))0))0

ПыСы - на 1in.am есть ещё одно небольшое интервью с одним из армянских командиров среднего звена, вот он сказал, что "Бабаян в интервью рассказал все правдиво, но не целиком - а процентов на 80". Наверное тоже азибаржанский шпигун та клеветнiк.

[fahed]

Цитата (poxmeliator @ Дек 15 2020, 23:44)

Спорно. Просто у них уже скоро как век идет перманентная война. Так же как и в Афганистане. Не чего не умеют кроме как воевать.

Так эта ачивка за счёт перманентной войны и достигнута. Все свыклись, что все помирают, можно отправлять в бой 12 летних детей, продавать их в вооруженные формирования за сто баксов и т. а. Nothing special.